Trade Idea Post and Discuss Trade Ideas for the 2019-20 Season

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by hoopsjock, Nov 6, 2019.

  1. oldmangrouch

    oldmangrouch persona non grata

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    First proposed Love trade I could live with! :cheers:
     
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    Meh.

    As long as Collins and Little still have the golden aura of "P" about them, I would prefer to go for a trade that brought back one really good player as opposed to short term depth.
     
  3. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    If we decide to not pick up Ariza's deal on June 30, then we will have the following deadspace on our books going into FA in July.

    Ariza -1.8 mil

    Andrew Nicholson - 2.8 mil (per year thru 2024, ugh)
    Anderson Varejao- 1.9 mil

    This freaking stretch provision is one of my least favorite things about the CBA, and I hate that Neil used it on those two.

    Unless there's a legit role player we can get with the capspace we have remaining, it makes perfect sense to just keep his 12.8 mil on the books to use in a trade later.
     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Someone clarify this for me.

    If we were to try to max our capspace this summer, I believe we would have to waive this TPE, correct?
     
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    Correct. Best case the max cap space will be slightly above the MLE. It isn't enough to make it worth it to waive the TPE
     
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    I read that Ariza could bring back about $17M after his option is picked up. Portland doesn’t project to have any other big expirings, while guys like Blake, Aldridge, Porter, and Love could all be available. If Olshey can swing a similar deal with Whiteside, getting a sizable short term contract in return, he’d set himself up to make a move involving one of those players, all while keeping the current squad competitive.
     
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    Must have done some intel to see gauge this FA market and he punted on it. As long as we maximize our flexibility in both assets and moveable pieces for next year, I'll be happy. I like the TPE-- I know Olshey has a bad history of just letting them expire, but it's a useful piece.

    Just gotta get through this season with no more major injuries.
     
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    Based on this, if Portland is $6.3m over we ought to see if we can do two trades with the Bulls:

    Ariza -> Felicio (saves $4m this year, but costs $6 for next)

    Caleb -> Hutchison ( no salary change. Portland just gets a prospect SF for a non-NBA player).

    This would make it close enough that Portland could duck the tax with a small Whiteside trade
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    this with one caveat. If there is a FA they really covet, and he actually wants to come here for ~20 million, moves could be made to create that space. But a FA choosing Portland? That’s a funny one.
     
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    I love bogi but he is not worth $20M, no way.
     
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    Hmmm? Question. Would you trade Hutchinson for Swanigan if Hutchinson was on the Blazers and Swanigan on the Bulls?
     
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    I really think they were targeting Ariza.
     
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    It would be a package deal. Ariza + Caleb for Felicio + Hutchison.

    Since the CBA doesn't allow Ariza or Caleb to be combined with anyone else, it would have to be done in 2 separate trades.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I don’t understand the thinking. If you asked most owners if they would give two late seconds to save 12 million, I’m sure they would do it.
     
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    with that logic they should trade Lillard too, imagine how much money they could save!!
     
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    For our taxpaying team this season, we can take back 125% of the TPE value + 100k. So we can take back 9.1 mil in salary this season. If we manage to somehow sneak under the tax next season, this TPE can take back 175% of the TPE value + 100k, meaning we can take back 12.7 mil in salary then. This isn't trivial.
     
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    How do you figure?
    The only way to get that much cap space would be to trade a player (like CJ) away. I guess it's possible, but very challenging to get that much cap space.
     
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    False correlation.

    Trading Baze & Tolliver & 2nds to save $12M has negligible impacts on the wins.

    Trading Dame absolutely impacts the Blazers ability to win games.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    that’s not what I said at all. Don’t be stupid. I’m sure most teams have an internal valuation on the value of a second rounder and it’s not more than 6 million dollars. And I bet the valuation for ones in the 45-60 range, which is what it should be if portland is projecting themselves to be a playoff team in those years, is even less. Those are regularly traded for cash considerations or less on draft day.

    I find it funny that some of the people who want to give up on this season are mad we didn’t spend more on the team this year. Like, what do you want Jody to do?
     

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