This. Trading Whiteside to get a center who stretches the floor and ADDING Jimmy Butler to then have a more open lane....sees like a no-brainer. If we could trade Whiteside for Meyers and Butler, I'd do it in a heartbeat.....which is basically what happened for Miami.
Whiteside may not be as good as his stats, but he sure isn't as bad as his haters here claim either I don't have a problem with him being traded unless it's for another stupid bloated long-term contract. I'm fine with his expiring contract just expiring. But then, I don't think Portland is going to get anything substantial for him without giving up other good assets, and I don't see any good reason for that because I don't subscribe to the notion it's good to take on contracts just because of the very debatable value of future hypothetical trades by the way, here are some numbers I think say more about Whiteside than some cherry-picked agenda-driven video: Portland opponent FG% at Rim (0-3') & League rank: 2018-19 - .633 (6th) 2019-20 - .609 (2nd) Portland opponent FG% 3-10' & League rank: 2018-19 - .411 (24th) 2019-20 - .375 (7th) so then, these two areas of the floor are basically the paint. This is the area that is most impacted by big man defense and rim protection. And what those number show is that this season, Whiteside + Skal (part-time) + Melo + Tolliver posted much better results than 75+ games of Nurk + Zach + Aminu + Meyers + Kanter. Putting those two sets of numbers together does not come anywhere close to fitting with the narrative that Whiteside has hollow stats
you're letting your vitriolic hate of Whiteside blow the hell out of your reason and logic Miami made room for Butler by exchanging the salary of Whiteside for Meyers...do the math. And Butler is having an MVP-level season furthermore, Duncan Robinson hardly played last season (only 15 games at 10 min.game). So add Robinson to rookies Tyler Herro & Kendrick Nunn, and those 3 players are averaging 41 points and 7 assists while shooting 40% on three's and carrying high. If Portland was getting that kind of consistent, efficient support from Simons, Trent, and Little, they'd have a winning record Miami had an actual opportunity to make a major addition-by-subtraction move and they accepted the risk and went for it. I wish the Blazers had a GM with the nerves of Riley
It's not vitriolic hate. I just don't think he's a winning basketball player. And that we'd be better off with any replacement level big in his place.
c'mon man...I've read your repetitive anti- Whiteside screeds in game threads. It's obvious you hate him and want him gone...a lot. You just created a thread for it. Maybe 'hate' is too strong a word, but it would only be a slight exaggeration, if at all. I don't really know what you mean by "replacement" player, but if it's somebody like Skal, or Jacob Poeltl, or Khem Birch, not a chance a C like that would give Portland as good a chance at winning. I posted those numbers of Portland opponent FG% in the paint. That's the only thing about their defense that's good right now. Take away that and Portland is losing at a higher rate than they already are (which I don't object to, considering the situation) and if by replacement you mean somebody better than the C's like above....IMO, Blazers aren't getting any from what they'd be willing to trade...or accept in next year salary
He's not a winner. I don't like lazy players like that. BFD. I want him off my team. Is that really vitriolic hate? Stats be damned-- they freaking lie. Here are some unheralded centers I think would make our team better than Whiteside: - Daniel Theis - Richaun Holmes - Gorgui Dieng - Aron Baynes - Ivica Zubac - Derrick Favors - Poeltl plays fucking HARD. Something Whiteside only does on occasion
re whiteside i think he is a lower intensity player, but to me it seems like he's playing with more fire this season. maybe its contract based, maybe he's just happier..... either way, to keep him would be helluva expenny and we could turn him into something useful. annoying thing, Ariza is playing great. carmelo is playing great, usually. tbh i think having ariza will take some of the pressure of the need for CJ to feel like he has to heroball all the damn time. still not against trading cj, whiteside etc but only if it makes sense.
I don’t know how a fan can tell the difference between lazy and low IQ/slow reactor...unless they had a narrative to keep of course. Whiteside puts in more work every night than everyone except Lillard. He has to. He's pretty much single handily doing all the work on the boards and also has to cover up a ton of mistakes by his teammates defensively.
Never realized there were so many Whiteside fans here. I think all these opinions are clouded by the fact that he's the only guy we have above 6'9 who isn't in street clothes.
I'm unwilling to call Whiteside lazy because I think it's often hard to determine if someone is slow of foot vs not giving effort. My eyes have told me he's slow of foot, which is why pulling him away from the hoop on a regular basis always seemed like a bad idea. It was interesting to see a clear breakdown of a team who defends PnR coverages with the same strategy, but because their lineup isn't littered with below average defensive players, it works. Again, I'm not bagging on Whiteside, he is what he is and to expect otherwise would be unfair to him. This video does a great job of breaking down what many people on here have been saying about his inabilities.
LOL...the thing I've noticed is that people become really dismissive of stats when they don't match their bias. IIRC, I've seen you post stats before to buttress your arguments and please come up with realistic trade ideas for getting any of those C's without giving up assets and without busting next year's cap
As with everything there are two extreme ends here and the truth is somewhere in the middle. Whiteside isn't a lazy worthless bum and he's also not a top center in the league.
I would hardly say that people here are "fans" considering most would be willing to trade him for a semi useful player and an expiring. But that doesn't mean we can't look at what he's doing objectively especially in the context of the fact that he's the only guy on our team who can play center right now. He has flaws as a player, but it doesn't take away from his strengths either. As for "working hard". I saw Mason Plumlee bust his ass as a starting center for a year and a half, but his effectiveness isn't near the same level as "lazy" Whiteside.
Clearly I'm on the other side as you all here. Perhaps my eye tests deceive me, but i can't wait til we rid ourselves of the guy. Let's just all agree that Nurk's inevitable return will make us a far better team.
I just don't understand where this is coming from. Everybody here agrees with the video posted. So what?
This is pretty much a lost season so I would keep Whiteside. Even in limited practices there are things Whiteside does that would be beneficial for Nurk to play against and learn from. Nurk is smart and motivated to get better, even half a season with Whiteside would be good for him. Not seeing a trade this team could make during this season that will get us to the WCFs. I do see us being able to beat (beat as in physically pound on) the hell out of teams in the playoffs with 2 big dominate big men and 12 hard fouls between the two of them.
