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Let's say that we don't trade him and that Nurkic's health isn't reassuring, how much would you offer to Hassan to stay?
 
I wouldn't go past 3 years. I'd target $10million a season but go a bit higher. I'd let him walk at $15mil per.

I'm skeptical he gets $15million anywhere. If he does good luck to him. I'd like him to stay a Blazer, but I dont want us to offer more than other teams. We offer him a fair market rate and he stays if he wants.

If he signs a one year deal I'd go substantially higher depending on our room under the tax, etc. Sort of how we resigned JJ Hickson.
 
Ew.

Itd takes an amount that no team would want back in a trade, and if it was for only 1 year he'd have a no-trade clause.

So if we keep him past the deadline, we have the option of getting stuck with an aging backup C when we have 3 other younger natural Centers, and make 2 of those play full-time PF, or we let him walk in the summer... Either way, this trade deadline will be the last deadline that his contract will have any trade value for us, unless we pull off some miraculous sign-and-trade, which is so unlikely that it shouldnt be factored in.

I hate the thought of keeping him. Ugh. I dont even want to get inti hiw much we'd have to overpay him to bring him back as a C playing 20mpg.
 
BonesJones said:
I dont even want to get inti hiw much we'd have to overpay him to bring him back as a C playing 20mpg.
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The question isn't "How much would we have to pay to keep him?" The question is "How much should the Blazers offer?"

Worst-case scenario, Whiteside doesn't get traded and enters free-agency as a Blazer. Olshey calls you up and says "Torey, I've been watching your BlazersUprise videos over the past month, and I've really come to respect your opinion. Clearly I messed up by not trading Hassan at the deadline, but what's done is done. Going forward, what do you think is the max I should offer Whiteside in free agency this summer?"
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The question isn't "How much would we have to pay to keep him?" The question is "How much should the Blazers offer?"

Worst-case scenario, Whiteside doesn't get traded and enters free-agency as a Blazer. Olshey calls you up and says "Torey, I've been watching your BlazersUprise videos over the past month, and I've really come to respect your opinion. Clearly I messed up by not trading Hassan at the deadline, but what's done is done. Going forward, what do you think is the max I should offer Whiteside in free agency this summer?"
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"Hire me as assistant GM and I'll tell you!"
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I wouldn't go past 3 years. I'd target $10million a season but go a bit higher. I'd let him walk at $15mil per.

I'm skeptical he gets $15million anywhere. If he does good luck to him. I'd like him to stay a Blazer, but I dont want us to offer more than other teams. We offer him a fair market rate and he stays if he wants.

If he signs a one year deal I'd go substantially higher depending on our room under the tax, etc. Sort of how we resigned JJ Hickson.
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Good call here. If we offer slightly more than the MLE (~$10m), then that seems like a fair offer.

If Whiteside can find a deal $15m+ elsewhere, then good for him. There will be other centers on the market (Noel) that may come significantly cheaper
 
Love The Beast but I do have concerns about him and his injuries. I wont say he's injury prone as yet in his young career, but if he cant put together a couple season without significant injuries?
Im sure that had a lot to do with his willingness to sign a more than reasonable contract.
 
I don't think Portland can have both Nurkic and Whiteside. Having both doesn't make sense past this season

and, the elephant in every room of the Blazer house are the extensions for Dame & CJ. That elephant sucks most of the air.

and I'm fairly well convinced that the Blazers have no intentions of paying tax next season. I have a hard time seeing Portland paying Whiteside 10-12M a year and having any realistic hope of using the MLE, BAE, or that 7M TPE, and remain under the tax.

Nurkic + Zach + Skal (RFA) is a decent start at a versatile big man rotation
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think Portland can have both Nurkic and Whiteside. Having both doesn't make sense past this season

and, the elephant in every room of the Blazer house are the extensions for Dame & CJ. That elephant sucks most of the air.

and I'm fairly well convinced that the Blazers have no intentions of paying tax next season. I have a hard time seeing Portland paying Whiteside 10-12M a year and having any realistic hope of using the MLE, BAE, or that 7M TPE, and remain under the tax.

Nurkic + Zach + Skal (RFA) is a decent start at a versatile big man rotation
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How do you figure that? Here's my rough numbers:

$107m for 10 players (Dame, CJ, Nurk, Ariza, Hood, Collins, Simons, Mario, Trent, Little)

+ $3m for draft pick
+ $12m for Whiteside
+ $ 3.5m for BAE (Melo?)
+ $10m for MLE
+ $2m for Vet Min

Total = $135m with the tax threshold projected to be ~$140m

So it appears that Blazers could use the BAE & either the TPE or MLE and still be under the tax line
 
tester551 said:
How do you figure that? Here's my rough numbers:

$107m for 10 players (Dame, CJ, Nurk, Ariza, Hood, Collins, Simons, Mario, Trent, Little)

+ $3m for draft pick
+ $12m for Whiteside
+ $ 3.5m for BAE (Melo?)
+ $10m for MLE
+ $2m for Vet Min

Total = $135m with the tax threshold projected to be ~$140m

So it appears that Blazers could use the BAE & either the TPE or MLE and still be under the tax line
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We are also carrying ~5 million in dead cap from Nicholson and Varejao.

But in general I agree. Portland can go into the season a bit over the tax and easily make some moves during the season to move under it.
 
B-Roy said:
We are also carrying ~5 million in dead cap from Nicholson and Varejao.

But in general I agree. Portland can go into the season a bit over the tax and easily make some moves during the season to move under it.
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Damn... I forgot about the dead money.:angry:

I dont like the idea of going into the season over the tax line with the idea to trade below. I think that could force yourself into a bad trade
 
tester551 said:
How do you figure that? Here's my rough numbers:

$107m for 10 players (Dame, CJ, Nurk, Ariza, Hood, Collins, Simons, Mario, Trent, Little)

+ $3m for draft pick
+ $12m for Whiteside
+ $ 3.5m for BAE (Melo?)
+ $10m for MLE
+ $2m for Vet Min

Total = $135m with the tax threshold projected to be ~$140m

So it appears that Blazers could use the BAE & either the TPE or MLE and still be under the tax line
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ok, I get 110M for 10 players (did you forget the dead salary?)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/POR.html

* then, 3M for the first round draft pick bumping the Blazers to 113M for 11 players

* re-sign Skal for what....3-4M? Portland at 116-117M; 12 players

* 10M for full-MLE. 126-127M; 13 players

* 3.8M BAE (Melo?)....130-131M 14 players

so then, Portland is only 8-10M under the tax line...AND, they have that 7.2M TPE as an asset; and that might be a valuable asset. They also have Ariza's contract that could bring back over 5M more than his salary. None of that fits under the tax line with Whiteside at 10-12M a year

like I said, at this point, I'd rather see 20M for Nurk, Zach, and Skal, than 30M for Nurk, Zach, & Whiteside
 
wizenheimer said:
ok, I get 110M for 10 players (did you forget the dead salary?)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/POR.html

* then, 3M for the first round draft pick bumping the Blazers to 113M for 11 players

* re-sign Skal for what....3-4M? Portland at 116-117M; 12 players

* 10M for full-MLE. 126-127M; 13 players

* 3.8M BAE (Melo?)....130-131M 14 players

so then, Portland is only 8-10M under the tax line...AND, they have that 7.2M TPE as an asset; and that might be a valuable asset. They also have Ariza's contract that could bring back over 5M more than his salary. None of that fits under the tax line with Whiteside at 10-12M a year

like I said, at this point, I'd rather see 20M for Nurk, Zach, and Skal, than 30M for Nurk, Zach, & Whiteside
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I dunno, it sounds like we have a lot of flexibility based on these assumptions. They can do a lot of those moves, or none of them, or any combination of them that makes sense.

For example, I'm sure if they signed Whiteside for 10-12M, they would pass on resigning Skal. They don't HAVE to resign Melo. They don't even have the use the full MLE (the FA class is kind of awful). A lot of it depends on what types of moves are available.

But if Whiteside is willing to take 10-12M a year, I think the Blazers should strongly consider it. I think he could get more though, and he should because it's probably going to be the last big payday of his career.
 
I appreciate all he is doing, but I'd rather start Collins at C and sign Ariza.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Just throwing it out there...Hood took way less than anyone thought he could get to stay, in a similar situation.
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He was guaranteed a starting spot on a team coming off a WCF appearance, and signed a 1+1 deal.

Whiteside will not be guaranteed any such position and we will prolly be a lottery team.
 
tester551 said:
Damn... I forgot about the dead money.:angry:

I dont like the idea of going into the season over the tax line with the idea to trade below. I think that could force yourself into a bad trade
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The idea is you go into the season over the tax line and see how it plays out. You have option to pay the tax if yhe Blazers are successful or to offload contracts and get under the tax. It's always good to have options.
 
illmatic99 said:
He was guaranteed a starting spot on a team coming off a WCF appearance, and signed a 1+1 deal.

Whiteside will not be guaranteed any such position and we will prolly be a lottery team.
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Heres the thing... I was all for tanking... But then we have this one player, you know... The greatest player ever for the blazers... Who literally did slapped the mess out of my face and said "did you forget who i am?"
 
Funny. There are numbers that are pretty much what Meyers got on here. The dude is in the top 5 in rebounds and leads the entire league in blocks.

Oh yeah.... Those stats don't mean anything this time.
 
Strenuus said:
Heres the thing... I was all for tanking... But then we have this one player, you know... The greatest player ever for the blazers... Who literally did slapped the mess out of my face and said "did you forget who i am?"
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?

We don't need to outwardly tank to be in the lottery.
 
CupWizier said:
Is being the 13th-14th team in the lottery more important than being 15th-17th and in the playoffs?
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If there has been any year in the last 20 where it's been this wide-open (I keep thinking 1995, for some reason, but that's cursory), and a late-rising 7 or 8 seed who's finally healthy can pull off some series wins, then it's this one.

Assuming we're back at relatively full strength, the Dame/CJ/Ariza/Melo (Collins)/Nurk (Whiteside) can do some damage in the playoffs. Even against the L*kers and/or Clippers.

And, imo, we need to outwardly tank (especially when those guys get healthy) to be in the top 10 in the draft, so, yeah...
 
I think Whiteside gets something along the lines of 80/4. I wouldn't want him at that price. If we keep him, which I don't want to anyway since Nurk and Whiteside can't play togethor, i'd do what PtldPlatypus said and give him 40/3.
 
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