Honest question, when was the last time a sign-and-trade worked out like that? I'm trying to think of examples.
It's been quite quiet. Phone calls are always being made and I have no idea what whomever it was that said Monday was a 'truce' or day off. There are all sorts of inquiries and it will build up for the next 4 days. Nothing ground breaking and teams can alwasy inquire but that doesn't mean anything gets done. FWIW, Blazer players that have at least been asked about: Whiteside - has a huge ending contract and is playing at a high level. McCollum - Philly would really like someone like CJ. Ariza - Team friendly contract and a nice Playoff rotation piece. Trent - rookie contract who is starting to produce. Simons - still has the 'untapped potential' label on a rookie contract. No real surprises there.
Don't know and not really all that relevant as things change over the course of time. How can Whiteside (or any player for that matter) go to a team that is over the cap and player unwilling to sign for the mle or less? Nobody is saying it's a for sure, but you have to admit the possibility is always there, especially with fewer and fewer teams having much cap space. It also allows a team to lower their payroll by sending back some player(s) instead of having to sign a player to a big contract and absorbing the full salary. Like I said, it can be a win-win-win situation for all involved.
Possibility? Sure, I guess, there is no way to dispute that it is indeed a possibility to happen according to the CBA rules. But to say it's a win-win-win situation without being able to come up with an example of it happening in the past seems wrong to me. If it's such a great thing for all those involved why doesn't it happen more often? The answer is that there are just way too many variables for a sign and trade.
The Knicks acquired Kyle O’Quinn in a 2015 sign-and-trade, while the Grizzlies and Bucks signed-and-traded for Troy Daniels and Matthew Dellavedova, respectively, in 2016. In 2017, the Clippers acquired Danilo Gallinari via sign-and-trade. No sign-and-trade deals were completed in 2018.
Here you go. There are some sign and trade deals just last off season. Notable players being Kemba Walker, Kevin Durant, D'Angelo Russel, Delone Wright, Brogdon https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/trade-tracker
O'Quinn and Dellavedova were both restricted free agents. Sign and trades for restricted free agents are different because the team wanting them doesn't want his old team to match. Daniels was only sign and traded because the Hornets asked the Grizzlies to do it because they wanted a trade exception. In all 3 cases the team that got the player had the cap space to do so. Gallo is a good example of a team not having enough cap space (they had some), but the Nuggets didn't want the crap the Clippers were trying to pawn on them so they had to find a 3rd team to take it and ended up with a 2nd round pick. Most people in here have poo-pooed any trade scenario in which the prize back is a 2nd round pick.
Oh I'm sorry, I thought you understood that I was talking about your specific example of trading someone to a team that doesn't have cap space. No shit sign and trades have happened before, I've been talking about them all morning.
No, what I was discussing was SIGN AND TRADES and showed you several examples from last year. You appear to be trying to nit pick and being argumentative instead of actually following along.
Whatever, you said it's a win-win-win for all teams involved to do a sign and trade to a team without cap space. You have still failed to show an example of that working out for a team in a situation similar to what we'd have with Whiteside this summer. I'm not being argumentative at all. I asked you why we don't see it very often if it is such a good thing for all those involved and you came back at me with a list of sign and trades that had nothing to do with what I was asking you. I guess you're unable to continue or have a discussion.
I kinda like Rudy Gay as another target. Is having a down year from 3 so far this season, but he's still putting up 10/5 in a bench role. I like him as our primary option off the bench at 3/4 who can close games when Melo is too slow to defend. And his contract is perfect. 14 mil this season and 14 next year. Having his and Ariza's expirings could be useful
We would have to trade Whiteside to get him, otherwise we can’t match his salary. Also I doubt we will pick up Ariza’s non-guaranteed contract.
Durant dealt in a sign and trade: Durant gets to go to the team he wants, Brooklyn gets the player they want and GS gets Russell and filler, who has been very good for them and they can still deal him for more asset. How is that not a win-win-win situation? Everybody got something. If Durant didn't do a sign and trade then GS would be left with nothing. Delone Wright in a sign and trade, he gets to go to Dallas, Wright gets paid and Memphis picks up 2 second round picks. Win-win-win. If Wright signs as a free agent, Memphis gets nothing. Kemba Walker in sign and trade to Boston. Kemba goes to a team he wants to go to, Boston gets a player they want and Charlotte fets Terry Rozier and second round pick. Win-win-win. Charlotte gets some value rather than nothing if Kemba signs as a free agent. I have never said the compensation works out equal, but getting something is better than getting nothing. I guess you'll just come back with more nit picking.
It would have to be a three way. Something like this, it can be simpler. Definitely disagree on this one. His value on the court, and his value as a trade piece for next deadline is far greater than the savings we'd get by declining his option. We went over this earlier in here. The max capsapce we can open up this summer is only slightly better than the MLE. Just try to get under the tax by getting rid of Mario/Caleb and do that above deal and we're pretty much there.
We're 9th right now, with a possible 8th landing spot. The Rockets are trying to trade Capela for some picks to use to flip for a center and wing. 2 lottery picks with a healthy roster next year would be sweet
The S&T option took a hiatus for a bit while the salary cap was rapidly expanding. You had a bunch more teams that had cap space to sign FA players outright (without having to give up an asset). Now that the salary cap is leveling off a bit, more teams are starting the off-season over the cap & have to look at S&T as an acquisition vehicle.
