Everytime I hear older, middle-aged people talk about politics, and they are completely biased and confrontational, it makes me laugh. Like when I'm with my dads friends, I can't believe some of the things they say. It's like, how can you be 45 years old and act like the Democrats are going to save the country and Republicans are completely evil, doesn't that sound elementary and stupid? I'm 20 years old, I've followed/read/been obsessed with politics for the last 5 years, and once I left HS, I just kind of mellowed out, thought things out, became more central and finally matured and thought, the Republicans aren't all evil, wrong, I can understand how Republicans think this way on this issue...etc... I jusy don't get how you can be a grown person and be so biased/ridiculous. I know I'm rambling but I just want your guys' thoughts on this. Am I being kind of snoblish with my points or do you agree?
I completely agree. This is why most kids in highschool will say "I hate Bush" but they cant explain why. They are raised by these people and when their children grow up they arent any different and the process goes on and on. I think its so stupid for somebody to vote on a party. Im more conservative than anything, but im never going to be closed minded to only republican candidates. IMO, you have to evaluate all candidates, decide who will make the best decisions and who can handle the position they are running for. A major misconception in this world is younger people cant be mature, and most older people are mature.
If they're 45 and they've lived their whole lives thinking republicans are evil, I doubt their viewpoints are going to change.. These little pisshead liberals now a days just think republicans are awful, and they are straight from hell - and they have kids that grow up to think the same way without looking at the other side of things.. And the kids won't change their minds because its cool to hate Bush, and its cool to bash on the gov.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 7 2007, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they're 45 and they've lived their whole lives thinking republicans are evil, I doubt their viewpoints are going to change.. These little pisshead liberals now a days just think republicans are awful, and they are straight from hell - and they have kids that grow up to think the same way without looking at the other side of things.. And the kids won't change their minds because its cool to hate Bush, and its cool to bash on the gov.</div>Pisshead Liberals? You do know it goes both ways right? There are plenty of stupid, extreme consevatives.
I know like 4 stupid conservatives...I know probably 20 or so stupid liberals who cant argue sh*t they bash. Im not saying all liberals are like that...but I personaly see more liberals like that than conservatives.
I know. I was just reffering to the liberals that hate bush, want him to die, hate the american gov., etc. Most of those people are like that because they think its cool..There's plenty of insane conservatives, but I don't know many personally.. I hear, see, and talk to stupid liberals that hate the republican party for the hell of it and those are the people I hate..
I dont like anybody(conservative or liberal) who arent open minded and sticks to somebody simply cause of their party. Obama has several conservative views, and Giuliani has several liberal views...yeat Obama is a democrat and Giuliani is republican. You have to look both ways to make the best judgement.One line I hate that comes out peoples mouths is "im getting sick of our troops dying cause some idiot doesn't know how to run a country". That is seriously one of the most ignorant and idiotic statements that people say...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jul 7 2007, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One line I hate that comes out peoples mouths is "im getting sick of our troops dying cause some idiot doesn't know how to run a country". That is seriously one of the most ignorant and idiotic statements that people say...</div>Yet people say it everyday! Its not as if Bush is in an easy situation, he just needs to keep doing what he feels is best for the country, and I'll never question his decisions.. but I think people should just respect him because he is our president, and he is our leader..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 7 2007, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its not as if Bush is in an easy situation, he just needs to keep doing what he feels is best for the country, and I'll never question his decisions..</div>
Not to mention the fact Bush doesn't have the power to snap his fingers and send us to war...its a process that goes through the government, and its sad cause theres idiots out there whos voting and doesn't realize these things...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jul 7 2007, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>but I personaly see more liberals like that than conservatives.</div>I believe the biggest reason as to why you hear/see more of these clueless people from the liberal camp and not from the conservative base is because the democrats haven't really been in a position of power in the last 15 years (since the 94 midterm). Since the democrats haven't been in a position to create changes they haven't had the opportunity to draw the ire of the conservative base like Bush has done with the democrats. The democrats have the anti-Bush group who would insult Bush even if he found a cure for cancer just because he is George Bush and the republicans have the christian zealots in the south whom make it nearly impossible for the moderate conservatives to regain control of the republican party and who knows what they will do if Clinton or Obama make it through the democratic primary.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Diawsome @ Jul 7 2007, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe the biggest reason as to why you hear/see more of these clueless people from the liberal camp and not from the conservative base is because</div> A lot of Liberals think they know everything and feel the need to go out and there and tell people/spread the word...more so than Republicans. Democrats feed off of outrage.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jul 7 2007, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know like 4 stupid conservatives...I know probably 20 or so stupid liberals who cant argue sh*t they bash. Im not saying all liberals are like that...but I personaly see more liberals like that than conservatives.</div>not around my area.every year in my area republicans win the local government (mayor, etc. etc.) by a landslide...like the pop. vote is 90%/10%...
I see it going both ways. I don't like GWB anymore, but I get sick of all the bashing. It doesn't help our country anymore. I don't care what Keith Olbermann says, and I don't think Bush does either. None of what they are saying is helping or changing anything. On the other hand, I do think there needs to be changes... not just in Iraq, but all over the place.Bush doesn't deserve all the blame either. Many democrats supported the war and the belief that there were WMD's.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998."If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998."[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998."Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002."Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002."I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force ? if necessary ? to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002."In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ... Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.</div>snopesI'm not saying that anyone should support conservatives because of this, but I think that putting democrats in power won't do a whole lot for our international relations. Has the democrat-led congress done anything? That's not a rhetorical question either; I ask that seriously.
I've said this many times and I'll say it again, the hippy generation is the root of most of our problems. these same people who go on and on about the evils of Bush were the same people burning their bras and doing LSD at Woodstock. They have no clue what the hell they are doing, they think they changed the world with their BS back in the sixties and you can't convince these people otherwise.We blame a lot of Bush, but a lot of it isn't his fault. The Democrats, and even some republicans, have hindered many of his polocities until they are no good any more. also, we have the media creating a fruckus over everything. I'm sorry but the media doesn't have the right to be with our soliders while they are in combat. I say this because the media will always show some girl and her dog who got blown apart and all the hippy ass morons I mentioned above will start crying about the horrors of war.The Democrats are no differnt than the Republicans. neither side gives a damn about Americans who make less than 45,000 per year. Democrats may claim they do, but their actions speak louder than words. its been six months since they've been in power and not a damned thing as changed in New Orleans. Both sides are bought and paid for by one of the five big companies in America.
There were also a lot of Democrats, such as myself, who never supported the war in Iraq, only in Afganasthan(sp?) (where's Bin Laden btw?) My biggest problem with Bush is that he focuses too much in Iraq, instead of going after the primary topic of Bin Laden, which should've been the main target. The whole "saddam is heavily linked to osama" propaganda I never even bought into.
-Justice, the problem with Bush and most of the right wing isn't the fact that they're narrow-minded, arrogant, idealogues (I love how ya'll cats say liberals are closed minded, when Republicans routinely claim to make decisions based on faith - too funny. We're at war because Iraq is evil. Yee haw, praise Gawd.), the biggest problem with Bush is he's so laughably incompetent as a wartime leader. -redneck, hippies weren't the only voices in the sixties making themselves heard. What Nixon called the silent majority is still fuming over that, I guess. The church going folk seemed to think that America really was an episode of "The Andy Griffith Show." See, no blacks or women wearing pants. Sob, it was a much more innocent time. We had values back then. Before the hippies. Yeah, right. They some lying ass, lynch loving, soppy wet pussies confusing tv with reality. All the hippies did was question authority. If your authority can't handle scrutiny, then they don't deserve power anyway.-bluffcityblue, he says he's the decider. Look at GWB's decisions, not his steam gaining opposition, and make your prognosis. He's a world class screw up of a C- student that's leader of the free world because he says that he makes his decisions based on what Jesus would do. I felt immediately sorry for America when he said that in the 2000 primaries. I knew he would win with that cheap pimpery right then.
