Politics Can Sanders beat Trump?

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  1. Shaboid

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    Living here for the last 2ish years has definitely been a trip. I've seen some things. Thankful that my brother graduates next month and I have nothing tying me down to stay past that.

    On that note, anybody want to hire me back in Oregon???
     
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    Why do Americans go to Canada for prescription drugs? Why do Americans go to Mexico (yes, Mexico) to have surgeries or treatments? Because they can't afford it here.

    Also it's not just Cuba and Venezuela that have socialized medicine, it's basically all of the developed world. Most of them are doing fine with it, and their citizens don't go bankrupt paying to stay alive. Socialized medicine is not the problem in Venezuela.
     
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    GhostOfPGA The late great Paul Allen

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    Ok here is a very valid question... say Bernie is elected, pushes his agenda through and then the billionaires say “fuck this shit” and leave? You can’t stop them from leaving, I know I would leave if some jackass was taxing me 90%.
     
  5. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Ok here is another very valid question... say aliens land, insert anal probes into 24% of the population, and then electrify them? How will that affect the median reading level of 8th graders?

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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Cuba attracts about 20,000 paying health tourists, generating revenues of around $40 million a year for the Cuban economy. Cuba has been serving health tourists from around the world for more than 20 years. The country operates a special division of hospitals specifically for the treatment of foreigners and diplomats. Foreign patients travel to Cuba for a wide range of treatments including eye-surgery, neurological disorders such as multiple sclerosis and Parkinson's disease, cosmetic surgery, addictions treatment, retinitis pigmentosa and orthopaedics.

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  8. Hoopguru

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    I realize that there are socialized programs throughout the world.
    Like I said Im not opposed to tax payer funded medical social program just not that it's the only one offered. And that its managed properly.
     
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    That I wasn't aware of, Im all for paying for service as long as its superb!
    Again, I favor an option like Pete and Amy propose, im not for one size fits all, lie it or not. Freedom of choice. Just like abortions should be.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Indeed.

    Furthermore, most patients are from Latin America, Europe and Canada, and a growing number of Americans also are coming. By 1998, according to the Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean, the Cuban health sector had risen to occupy around 2 percent of total tourism. Some of these revenues are in turn transferred to health care for ordinary Cubans, although the size and importance of these transfers is both unknown and controversial. At one nationally prominent hospital/research institute, hard currency payments by foreigners have financed the construction of a new bathroom in the splenic surgery wing; anecdotal evidence suggests that this pattern is common in Cuban hospitals.

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    Cuban doctors drive cabs and work abroad to compensate for ...www.statnews.com › 2017/02/08 › cuba-doctors-meager-pay

    I think I would still prefer our current health care to Cuba's. I understand why they want to promote private procedures at a high cost.
     
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    The American health care system, like America in general, is fantastic if you're rich and pretty not-so-great if you're not rich, compared with the rest of the developed world. So, it's not surprising that Canadians come to the US to get costly, potentially optional surgeries faster. If everyone in America was rich, there'd be no problem with the system. Ask most Canadians if they'd trade their health care system for ours. I've had a lot of Canadian friends and acquaintances, and not a single one thinks the US system is better. In fact, most are confused as to why our system is so terrible.
     
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    and tickets to an NBA game are expensive too. People running around with $800 cell phones.
    Do owners of sporting franchises make to much money? Probably, but if they didn't Dame Dolla wouldn't be making the haul that he does.
    My wife as a career retired teacher was probably underpaid compared to some professions, and later in her tenure even working basically 9 months.
    The Pers retirement is nice but nothing compared to Mike Belotti's.

    Have you gone to Killer Burger? I left when I discovered they wanted $10 to eat the fear the cow between two slices of bread. I get a kick out of how people line up to spend big bucks on foo foo coffee and it doesnt matter their income in fact many low income earners prioritize their boutique java over anything else to start their day. I keep drinking MGB or Folgers!

    This country is driven by marketing thats why we are on this site. The NBA is FANtastic!
     
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    Barfo, what line of work are you in? Just curious...
     
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    Yet you support Sanders?
     
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    I don't get the freakout over Sanders saying what is a recognized fact. Illiteracy under Batista was over 50%, up to 90% in rural areas. Cuba now has near 100% literacy, not just basic can you write your name but equivalent of high school education. It's one thing to criticize, another to demonize. Also true that Cuba has best health care system in Latin America and infant mortality better than that of Black women in the US. And best hurricane preparedness. Those things are simply facts.

    I remember during Reagan years some right wingers wanted to change a social studies book because it said the then-Soviet Union was one of the world's top energy producers.

    The former Soviet Union was one of the world's top energy producers. Fact.

    This "electable" at some point, does it become self fulfilling? You know, keep hearing someone isn't electable and folks figure they shouldn't vote for him/her? The person with most votes is by definition electable. Reminds me of how we kept hearing Hillary Clinton was not "likable" (unlike pathological lying racist misogynist schoolyard bully, but hey, a man doesn't have to be nice) until people who had thought she was just fine started thinking they must be wrong because all they heard was she was not likable.
     
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    I am not a medical doctor, thus I feel completely free to suggest that they should be paid less :)

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    If his guy or gal gets elected...

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    gotcha! Undercover cop
     

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