Subsidizing the middle class and poor does much more to stimulate the economy, since they spend significantly more of their total income than the rich. Wealthy people will reinvest a much smaller percentage of government largesse into the actual economy (stock investing doesn't qualify as economic "stimulus"). So since you're all about economic stimulus and jobs, rather then the investment portfolios of the rich, it sounds like you're on board for our tax money going to the people in the middle and bottom of the financial spectrum, rather than the top.
You're confusing single payer with socialized medicine. Socialized medicine, like the UK's NHS, involves the government running health care (or, as you put it, health care "100% controlled by the government"). Single-payer is a system that leaves the health care industry in the hands of the private sector, as it is now, and the government pays the bills for people who need to use that health care industry. Both systems have been successful, but you should know the difference if you're going to be against one or the other. Also, the article at the start of this thread is so riddled with terrible logic and fantasy, it's hard to even know where to start with it. It's essentially propaganda, and not even well-written propaganda.
This might be the stupidest thread Ive read in a long time, and thats saying a lot. Its not just the OP either. You guys all get leap day and April 20th confused or something?
Sorry but Im not, I realize what single payer is. Single payer health insurance is a health insurance system financed by taxes that is managed and run by one entity, such as a government, providing essential health care to all citizens. It is referred to as single payer because it is the one entity (the government) that pays the costs (a "single payer"). Managed and run by Government. Bernie & EW have advocated to do away with any insurance option. I don't agree with that. Why should I be forced to give up my insurance and doctor if Im willing to pay for it and rather have more options than what the gov paid, would allow. Why are you so against a social medicare program for those that need it and yes paid by the government, and allow those who want to keep insurance and shop insurance. Shouldn't there be the freedom, todo both
This pan of Petes makes total since and would have a better chance of congress bi partisan approval. "I mean, the reality is, all these beautiful proposals we all put forward, their impact is kind of multiplied by zero if you can't actually get it through Congress, and it's one of the reasons why I do favor the approach that I have," he said.Buttigieg would offerpublic health insurance to those who want itwhile also keeping private health care plans available. Other candidates' proposals, including "Medicare for All" — backed bySens. Bernie SandersandElizabeth Warren— would replace the current system with a single-payer, government-run program and eliminate private insurance altogether. "We make sure that everybody can afford [public health insurance], but we don't require you to take it. And partly I think that's just the right policy, because I think people should be able to choose," he said. "But it's also really important that that's a policy that commands the support of most Americans. ... We have a moment where we can get something that big done and most Americans want it done. That's not true of some of the other ideas out there, which would make it much harder to actually achieve them no matter how good they sound in campaign season."
we have a socialized war machine turning foreign children into dust every day. whenever we fly a 50MM drone over a grass roofed village and drop a million dollar bomb, that shit aint "free" either. see, some people would rather we use that money for health care for children. education for children, food for children, etc. i know, what a childish fantasy.
i find it very hard to believe the insurance cartel will allow bernie sanders to live long enough to try to implement any of his "kooky" ideas. guess we will see. but the cry of "yeah it would be great, but the corrupt congress will never allow it, so vote for me instead" is depressingly accurate. we are all sold up the river.
Who's best suited to compare "single-payer" to the American model? Answer, people who've lived under both and experienced care under both. I lived for 20 years under the British NHS and 30 years under the American system. I am now an American citizen. And I can say without hesitation that the American system is a bizarre nightmare that only the people who get rich off it could possibly think is good. The NHS is superior in every way, including wait times (in my experience). Of course, it's not what it was, but when I was a kid we lived way out in the middle of the country at the end of a pot-hole ridden dirt track. When I was very sick with the flu, the doctor CAME TO OUR HOUSE to care for us. Didn't cost us a penny (other than what we paid in taxes, which wasn't much, because we weren't wealthy). I have never understood Americans' bizarre love for this system that is designed only to make middlemen wealthy. Please do not comment on "single payer" unless you have lived at least a decade under one. You are not qualified.
if insurance shits the bed, im sure some doctors will still cater to the rich. you will still be able to find a reiki certified hot stone enima aura cleansing vegan nutritionist for your holistic penis implant surgery, you will just have to give them a sack full of gold up front.
Well, one American has died. Where are the marches? "We are oriented to the individual" - an empty phrase from an empty head. To paraphrase a quote, "Whaddya mean "we", white man?"
So your argument is essentially no one can talk about it other then people who have similar experiences as you...? Really...
No, I'm saying something very simple that surely everyone can agree with: you can't tell which is better out of Pepsi or Coke unless you've tried both.
but what if the news station i watch tells me that that drinking pepsi will lead to me starving to death, while i am waiting in line to be shot by a firing squad? surely they wouldnt lie about something as important as pepsi.
You were responding to a post about health care and said it shouldn't be 100% controlled by the government. That's why I said you were confusing the two systems. Health care and health insurance are two separate things. Who said I'm against it? The Canadian system is single payer but also allows for private supplementary insurance for anyone who wants to buy it. I think the Canadian system is just fine.
