Politics Dems: If It Boiled Down To These Two, Who Would You Choose?

While I'm sure you meant this in jest. At least I find it funny.
Your understanding of forgiveness in God's eyes is incomplete.

 

I think she's getting caught in between the two poles...she's not quite liberal enough for the liberal left, because Sanders exists to her left, and she's not moderate enough for the Democrats who believe the party needs to court the middle, because Biden exists to her right, so she doesn't have a natural constituency. She may get a bounce from Buttigieg dropping out, as they were both appealing to white voters with a college degree.

Warren has been my pick since Kamala Harris left the race, but it seems she is, in sports parlance, a 'tweener and therefore not very many people's first choice.

 

The data is pretty mixed on whether you win national elections by appealing to the middle or by energizing your base. It certainly used to be true that there was a significant amount of voters who were persuadable, but that's become less and less true over the years. The electorate has become so partisan, it's more akin to 48% of the country being Blazers fans and 48% of the country being Lakers fans with 4% of the country being...Suns fans? You're never going to convince Lakers fans to support the Blazers or Blazers fans to support the Lakers; if you need to win a--uh--fan brawl (analogy is stretching to its breaking point here), you're much better off getting as close to 100% of your fan base to it than trying to convince a few Suns fans to join your cause.

This is especially true for Democrats, because their base contains constituencies that, for various reasons, are less likely to turn out to vote. A candidate who can actually motivate more Democrats to vote is probably going to do better than a candidate who can't do that but appeals more to the shrinking group of persuadable voters.

 

Agree in that people are so polarized they wont even agree to compromise at all for the sake of getting something done. Its totally take no prisoners and in your face politics especially the radical left and right.
We need to consider changing the monetary incentive, career for life, owned by lobbyist reasons of politics, then maybe those in congress would consider more give and take and a spirit of getting things done for the correct reasons and motivations.

 

Well, considering I've personally been part of three separate abortions in my life, and now stand on the other side, I think I'm entitled to my opinions on the matter, as well.

Look, I'm not in here attempting to change any of your opinions....on anything. I've never been about that. Most all of this stems from me stating I support Trump, and will vote for him again; I'm then asked by too-many-to-count to back up my stance; I then state in various threads that ONE of the reasons is Trump's views on right-to-life, his SCOTUS appointments (one more yet to come), his stances on immigration, health care, national security, counter-terrorism, the economy, etc. It's all out there, just not in one tidy, neat place.

I mean, geez, I realize I'm very much in the minority here. So what? Nonetheless, I'm always willing to state my opinions and even back them up from time to time.

 

Nice

 

bingo...she would be leading now if she would just attempt to reach out to mods, blue dogs, independents & on the fence republicans.
Her promoting taking away private insurance turns many off. Going to be Bernard's down fall to if he doesn't let up some. Just my opinion

 

When I was 15 I had a pregnancy scare. Not that it's anyone's fucking business but I had not consented, aside from being under age. Abortion was illegal and I had only the vaguest notion what it was.

I remember being pissed off that my parents had no guns and no drugs stronger than aspirin. Because how the hell could I kill myself?
I read in a novel a woman threatening to commit suicide by swallowing her jade earrings. I had a pair of jade earrings, I didn't even get an upset stomach.
There was not the slightest scintilla of doubt in my mind I'd rather be dead than pregnant.

I didn't know at that time that there were doctors who did discreet abortions, especially for nice college bound middle class white girls and while my mother would have blown a gasket she was resourceful enough to have found me a doctor. But I would never never never tell her and in fact she went to her grave not knowing.

Turns out I was just late.

Morally I see forced sex and forced pregnancy as the same, and in fact many rapists like Trump are also vehemently anti-choice. Whether a man considers me a garbage can or an incubator (or both) makes no real difference.

Whenever some fuckhead man starts pontificating about how totally awesome it is to force their will on women's bodies I KNOW there is a terrified 15 year old somewhere ready to die rather than be pregnant.

And why I can agree to disagree on some issues but not that. I can't forgive because they know exactly what they are doing.

 

Well, you certainly have every right to feel the way you do...and I'm sorry for that. I really am.

In my circumstances, they were entirely consensual. All I can say is, I obviously had some very strong swimmers. Nonetheless, I gave each of the girls/women the decision to do what they felt best...and that (in each case) I would support their decision and be responsible....even including marriage if that's what they wanted to do. Well, each of them chose the abortion route. I was their for each of the operations/procedures and after the fact, making sure they were gonna be OK.

Was I the responsible party? Absolutely. Could I have taken an irresponsible approach? Sure. Do I have views on my situation(s) today? Yeah. I should have never gotten myself into those situations in the first place. Is it possible to educate others - particularly, teens on the matter? I'm hopeful, yes.

 

Oh, you're going to hell for that one !