You guys keeps saying conspiracy, but I never claimed it was, so I dont really need to defend myself on something I didnt say. I think whats more interesting than the Bernie aspect is that Biden to that point had looked dead in the water and then everyone dropped out and endorsed him.
Didnt say a thing about the deep state, and I said Biden got the votes and deserves to win in that aspect.
Let's rephrase that. Some of the peopl who dropped out were doing better than Biden in certain states. Take Nevada for example. You can also point to Iowa. Apparently you can't point to Texas or Michigan. You can't even point to Warren's home state of Massachusetts. You certainly can't point to South Carolina. Yeah, Bernie won some small states and at least a couple caucus states where the political machine reigns supreme which really flies in the face of the deep state manipulation to favor Biden.
I cannot lie, it's true that you never uttered the actual words deep state. Also, what other aspect should we count? Seems like the vote total is pretty fair to me.
Up to that point most of the states you mentioned hadnt done anything though, and its totally fair that maybe Biden was going to win all those states anyways I dont know. The Establishment did not want Bernie to win, and thats fine thats their prerogative, I find the decision for them all to back Biden strange though, why not Pete, or Amy (who wasnt doing anything anyways), but you’re just going to keep acting like Im trying to be a conspiracy theorist, when Im not. I am rather clearly stating I have found the process rather interesting and I don't quite understand the Democrats strategy in who they have chosen to get behind, but if it works then thats good.
I am basically trying to say, I really dont get the party going all in on Biden. Up to that point he was kind of doing nothing, they were banking on the carolina’s for Biden (just to keep him in the race) then they all dropped and flocked to Biden and I dont get why, I think there were better candidates over there. I know they didnt really want to go with Bernie and I get it that was / is a strange marriage, where he bad mouths the Democratic establishment and they seem to not want him either, but the decision to have everyone drop and endorse Biden is so strange to me.
Blaming the 'establishment' for Biden's success is unfounded and smacks of a Democratic tinkering that is best described as a conspiracy to have Biden beat out Bernie. No, you never explicitly said this. However, I think it's fair to warn you that I have two college degrees and paid the University of Trump good money for both degrees. I earned them the hard way, with cold hard cash.
Biden did not look dead after S. Carolina. He looked very much alive. Once it was established that the black vote was going to go overwhelmingly for Biden, and the youth vote was not going to bother voting, the outcome was clear. When Pete and Amy realized they had no chance of winning, they did the midwestern sensible thing, which was to make the best decision for their own careers. barfo
Lol, ok that was pretty good. I guess I just dont really understand why Biden was the candidate they all picked. At that point, I do believe they wanted to consolidate and keep Bernie from winning (this is my conspiracy theory I guess...), but my main point is I thought there were better candidates to get behind than Biden who it appeared was struggling to that point. So I just found very odd that he was the one they all got behind, but it will probably work, so I guess, thats fine.
So do you believe that if Biden and the rest dropped out and endorsed Pete (or some other candidate), they would have done worse than Biden? I mean I suppose its possible, but til that point it seemed like Pete was doing fine.
It appears strange because you insist on viewing it as a conspiracy, even if you don't use that word. There was not 'a decision' to have everyone drop out and endorse Biden. Individual people made individual decisions. It made sense to Pete to endorse Biden, because (a) Biden was going to win and Bernie wasn't, and (b) Biden is likely to offer Pete a job; Bernie might or might not, and (c) Biden is more aligned with Pete policy-wise. I'd guess it was a very easy choice for Pete to make. Amy is a little less clear-cut, since she has a job as senator. But maybe she's angling for something different, or maybe she just wanted to have a good relationship with the white house, and of course she's closer to Biden policy-wise as well. It would have been pretty unexpected for her to endorse Bernie. If it really were a giant conspiracy, Warren would have endorsed Biden also. barfo
He was my candidate, and I wish he'd made it, but in the first 4 contests he finished 1st, then 2nd, then 3rd, then 4th. That is not a good trajectory. And unfortunately, South Carolina reinforced/proved the idea that black voters wouldn't support him. I think if everyone had dropped out and supported Pete that would have been great, but that wasn't going to happen. barfo
Of course I could use your same argument and say it appears like nothing because youve decided it appears like nothing. Warren being in the race at that point probably hurt Bernie but its hard to tell, thats the equivalent of saying the third party cost hillary the election, thats assuming who all those people would have voted for and no one really knows. All in one weekend, didnt 4 or 5 candidates all drop out and endorse Biden, yeah Im sure it was individual decisions, but do you honestly believe that NONE of them communicated with each and other and it was just some random coincidence that they all did it at virtually the same time, and endorsed the same candidate. It doesnt have to be a giant conspiracy, where they find the infinity stones buried beneath Bidens home and decide he’s the chosen one. I understand it was politics and for whatever reason they all believed Biden had the best chance to win.
The polls showed Biden as the stronger opponent of Trump. Also, a lot of what Bernie wants, and it is good, is not popular yet. More groundwork needs to be done. I think Biden is more acceptable to more voters and that's what matters the most by a vast margin to me.
Yes, your supposition that you questioned seems perfectly plausible to me. Another problem of Bernie's is that he has not endeared himself to Warren, hence Warren has not endorsed Bernie even though Bernie's policies fit hers more than anyone else. Anyhow, it's all a moot point because the race is now virtually over with. Bernie has too much of himself invested in this race to capitulate now, but he will give in later and not much later. Another good thing is that Bernie wants Trump out of the White House and will work hard to achieve that. He also get's along well with Biden. These things spell good things for the Democrats in November.
No, actually that didn't happen. Pete and Amy dropped out after S. Carolina and endorsed Joe. Joe then killed it on Super Tuesday and that forced Bloomberg and Warren out. Maybe Pete and Amy communicated with each other, but I actually doubt it, because they don't seem to like each other much - to the extent that they avoided being at Biden's rally at the same time that day. We can agree on that. I'd guess the reason was a combination of political instinct, election returns, and polling data. barfo
I'm not amalgamating, but I am exaggerating very slightly. I definitely think there are people in this forum who considered Sanders an extremist with unpopular views and now are acting like he got "stiffed" or had something stolen from him. Who was doing a heck of a lot better than Biden when they dropped out?
I think and its my personal opinion, but skewing younger like with Pete or someone else might encourage voters to come out. Biden (or Bernie) vs Trump is like to many at least just a bunch of old white dudes two of whom are basically life long politicians and the other is a life long got an giant inheritance... I always wonder with Bernie if he was 20 years younger would more young people come out to vote(?). Its hard to tell obviously, Im told the “young” are going to come out every 2-4 years and they usually dont.
