<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 11 2007, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't know you were black...</div>That doesn't make you black. There are alot of people in South Africa who are caucasians. And my dad is from Morocco, which is in Northern Africa. The people there are arabs, not blacks.As for Africa, I dont know alot about the subject, but they definitely need our help. The kids there are infected with aids, and various other diseases. The kids are starving...there's rebels in Africa going crazy and killing other civilians. It's just a mess, and since they are our fellow human beings, it's important for the fortunate people to help them out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 11 2007, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Africa did a good job on itself too. African tribes would war with each other just to capture the other tribes peoples to sell them into slavery. that started well before the European encroachment.</div>That has very little to do with the way Africa is now. That's not a good way to see things. If it wasn't for Portugal and the Dutch and the French and their colonization and exploitation of the continent they wouldn't be in so much strife. The fact is is that when the nations were divided up, the European powers paid no attention to tribal borders/lines either because of their extreme ignorance of the continent or just a lack of care because of a desire for profit and land. This is why you see so much genocide and war and conflict in Africa; tribes with European/Western weapons destroying one another for land.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gentile @ Jul 11 2007, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I see the finger pointed at Africa over slaverly so often it's laughable. Some tribes in Africa enslaved people, but it definitely wasn't based on racial inferiority and the scale by comparison is mighty miniscule.African tribes did not possibly kidnap 10-15 MILLION people over the course of 300 years. If the entire history of slavery on the entire continent was counted, it wouldn't reach 1 million up to the 19th century.Africa didn't cruelly waste lives, killing up to 4 million people on the grueling middle passage neither.There were wars and raids, yeah, but nothing done indigenously even comes close to treating a race of people like chattel.</div>The Benin(I may be wrong about the tribes name, but I think it was the Benin) had amassed a huge empire from slave trading in the late 18th and early 19th century. They would trade Slaves for guns, by the time of the Napoleonic wars they had the 3rd largest army in the world behind France and Brittian, all from the slave trade. Once the European nations banned slavery, and the US reduced the importation of slaves the Benin empire fell apart practically overnight. African tribes, mainly saharan tribes, were involved in black slavery as early as 10th century because. Egypt, Assyria, and Carthage would all use slaves from that part of the world. in the 14th and 15th century slaves from Subsahara Africa were being sent to China via the silk road. The Ottomans were also a big preveyor of African Slavery. they would take young men, and casterate them to guard their harems. 9/10 of their Unics would die, and it's estimated by Ottoman sources that at the height of the Harems there were 150,000 African Unics. so by going by that number, and the fact that only 1/10 lived you're looking at 1.5 million for that purpose alone. that is excluding work based slaves.If you goto the west coast of Africa and visit the European forts, you'll notice that the batteries and cannons are pointed towards the sea, not the land. if the Europeans were raiding for slaves than the defenses would be postioned inland. because, if you kidnap enough people the natives would get restless and would have nothing to lose when they attacked you. also, African tribes would know the region a lot better than any European, they'd be able to raid one villiage and get out and back to their villiage very quickly<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 11 2007, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That has very little to do with the way Africa is now. That's not a good way to see things. If it wasn't for Portugal and the Dutch and the French and their colonization and exploitation of the continent they wouldn't be in so much strife. The fact is is that when the nations were divided up, the European powers paid no attention to tribal borders/lines either because of their extreme ignorance of the continent or just a lack of care because of a desire for profit and land. This is why you see so much genocide and war and conflict in Africa; tribes with European/Western weapons destroying one another for land.</div>There would be striff even without the European powers. one major issue of contention today is Islamic fanatics. long before the world cared about Muslim extremist, Africa was getting distroyed by them. the fighting between Muslims and Christians is what has sparked civil wars in Somalia, Etheopia, Chad, Cote D'Ivorie, Uganda, and many other nations. Then the Muslims began fighting amongst themselves like in Somalia. There is also a lot of bad blood between groups of people which extends back to the precolonial days. one tribe builds up a rivalry with another tribe and it turns to hate. much like England and France have hated each other through the centuries.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 11 2007, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Benin(I may be wrong about the tribes name, but I think it was the Benin) had amassed a huge empire from slave trading in the late 18th and early 19th century. They would trade Slaves for guns, by the time of the Napoleonic wars they had the 3rd largest army in the world behind France and Brittian, all from the slave trade. Once the European nations banned slavery, and the US reduced the importation of slaves the Benin empire fell apart practically overnight.</div>Proof that the enormity of the slave trade was significantly bolstered and perhaps engineered in it's largesse by the west. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>African tribes, mainly saharan tribes, were involved in black slavery as early as 10th century because. Egypt, Assyria, and Carthage would all use slaves from that part of the world. in the 14th and 15th century slaves from Subsahara Africa were being sent to China via the silk road.</div>No argument from me. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Ottomans were also a big preveyor of African Slavery. they would take young men, and casterate them to guard their harems. 9/10 of their Unics would die, and it's estimated by Ottoman sources that at the height of the Harems there were 150,000 African Unics. so by going by that number, and the fact that only 1/10 lived you're looking at 1.5 million for that purpose alone. that is excluding work based slaves.</div>What do the Ottomans, a Turkish Muslim expansion, have to do with the West raiding Africa for up to 14 million people when they kidnapped 1.4 million? Islam did much of the same colonizing and slavery to Africa under the guise of religious conversion fighting and stealing and raiding from the east. Great? So?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 11 2007, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I didn't know you were black...</div>LOL? WTF? My parents are both white, they are just missionaries so I was born overseas, so - I'm white. But that doesn't really matter, does it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 11 2007, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL? WTF? My parents are both white, they are just missionaries so I was born overseas, so - I'm white. But that doesn't really matter, does it?</div>Oh, I'm sorry. You were talking like you were in the majority over there, not the minority!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 12 2007, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh, I'm sorry. You were talking like you were in the majority over there, not the minority! </div>I don't see race, brother
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 11 2007, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL? WTF? My parents are both white, they are just missionaries so I was born overseas, so - I'm white. But that doesn't really matter, does it?</div>that explains alot.Heres you when you get older pff. you have a tumor that will kill you? drink this water and be saved by GOD!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXZoJ9d3pDs
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that explains alot.Heres you when you get older pff. you have a tumor that will kill you? drink this water and be saved by GOD!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqcvnGO1pWE...ted&search=</div>ROFL! haha, my *ss, I don't believe in that sh*t
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 12 2007, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ROFL! haha, my *ss, I don't believe in that sh*t</div>I actually ordered that miracle springwater and now heres what I look likeTHANKS JESUS! :happy0144:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I actually ordered that miracle springwater and now heres what I look likeTHANKS JESUS! :happy0144:</div> :no1: :no3: :no1: :no3: :no1: :no3: :no1: :no3: Why can't you respect my beliefs?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 12 2007, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:no1: :no3: :no1: :no3: :no1: :no3: :no1: :no3: Why can't you respect my beliefs?</div>Why can't you respect others? You say that Christianity is right and everything else is wrong, so whats the difference?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Jul 12 2007, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why can't you respect others? You say that Christianity is right and everything else is wrong, so whats the difference?</div>I do respect others, I respect everyone on this board
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 12 2007, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I do respect others, I respect everyone on this board</div>Fantastic for you then. I only respect those that have earned it. Respect isn't a right, its a privilege.You do often seem to be the type of Christian (well most are) that believes in god because their parents told them it was true when they were growing up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Jul 12 2007, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Fantastic for you then. I only respect those that have earned it. Respect isn't a right, its a privilege.You do often seem to be the type of Christian (well most are) that believes in god because their parents told them it was true when they were growing up.</div>No, my parents want me to be what I want - and I want to be a Christian - I've gone to Church since birth, but it's my decision - and I've chosen to follow God
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 12 2007, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, my parents want me to be what I want - and I want to be a Christian - I've gone to Church since birth, but it's my decision - and I've chosen to follow God</div>So do you reckon that if people hadn't been told that god exists since birth then would be as many religous people around now? I find that highly unlikely. Anyway, I'll stop now as I always try not to get into a debate on religon.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Jul 12 2007, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So do you reckon that if people hadn't been told that god exists since birth then would be as many religous people around now? I find that highly unlikely. Anyway, I'll stop now as I always try not to get into a debate on religon.</div>No, 'course not - I realize that many people are affected this way because they are born into religous households. But whatcha gonna do? Say no babies for Christian people? You can't do anything about that. And just because you say you're a Christian doesn't mean youa are, you have to believe in the Lord with all you heart, mind, and soul. If people are born in a Christian household and say they are Christians but don't believe, then theyaren't Christians
I think the best way to stop AIDS in africa is spread the rumor that cutting off your own dick cures AIDS.....And also, I think that at this point, with the possible exception of Nigeria and South Africa, Europe and the US are not to blame for the state these countries are in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jul 13 2007, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And also, I think that at this point, with the possible exception of Nigeria and South Africa, Europe and the US are not to blame for the state these countries are in.</div> You could explain why you think so...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 14 2007, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You could explain why you think so...</div>because they've been independant for so long. Our corporations are doing some damage, but it's mainly those countries' faults at this point and blaming their problems on the US and Europe instead of doing something about their problems is only going to slow their development.
