they can only do so much now, rebels are very strong over there, it's not as easy as some riot, it's a real force. I don't think they can help themselves now by themselves, they need help.
Everytime any international peace keeping mission goes over there it ends badly, thats why no one helps. The sh*t that happened to the French a few years back in Cote D'ivorie was barbaric, and all the French were trying to do was give aid to starving people. Not to mention when countries do give aid to an African country they are criticized for it by another African country.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l?ckdown @ Jul 14 2007, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they can only do so much now, rebels are very strong over there, it's not as easy as some riot, it's a real force. I don't think they can help themselves now by themselves, they need help.</div>right, and the rebels are the Americans' fault Donating money to africa is like throwing money in a blender. It's not going to get to where you want it to get to anyway.
^ hmm, never said that not all money is taken away, only a part of it, a large amount still go the relief efforts. It's not one city, or country, it's an entire continent full of people, it's not like it's gonna be going away that fast.I just can't agree with someone saying that we should wait for them to kill themselves, kinda dumb 2 me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 12 2007, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I actually ordered that miracle springwater and now heres what I look likeTHANKS JESUS! :happy0144:</div> :HAHAHA: Those commercials crack me up pretty hard. Just because you can tell how fake it is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l?ckdown @ Jul 15 2007, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^ hmm, never said that not all money is taken away, only a part of it, a large amount still go the relief efforts. It's not one city, or country, it's an entire continent full of people, it's not like it's gonna be going away that fast.I just can't agree with someone saying that we should wait for them to kill themselves, kinda dumb 2 me.</div>What do you want the world to do? start invading countries one by one and imposing martial law? Not all African countries are huge sh*t holes. Egypt is a very nice country, so is South Africa, Lesthoto, and a few others in the very southern part of Africa. the problem is the relgious wars which are going on. Also, many of those countries are in very unhospitable regions, which produce low crop yeild. but the people there breed like f*cking rabbits, so there is famine and nothing really to do but sit around and die, or kill people and you might be able to steal their food. it's not anyone fault that Etheopia doesn't have food, Etheopia doesn't have food because it's in the middle of a big f*cking desert, and it's been a big f*cking desert since the last ice age.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jul 15 2007, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>because they've been independant for so long. Our corporations are doing some damage, but it's mainly those countries' faults at this point and blaming their problems on the US and Europe instead of doing something about their problems is only going to slow their development.</div>The US has very little to do with the lack of progress in Africa; we're talking about Western Europe. What did you expect these African countries to do after they were just released away from whatever European country's control? Flourish? No, the world doesn't work that way. A lot of those countries didn't know how to govern themselves. On top of that, they had all of the different factions fighting to control the nation left and right.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 15 2007, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you want the world to do? start invading countries one by one and imposing martial law? Not all African countries are huge sh*t holes. Egypt is a very nice country, so is South Africa, Lesthoto, and a few others in the very southern part of Africa. the problem is the relgious wars which are going on. Also, many of those countries are in very unhospitable regions, which produce low crop yeild. but the people there breed like f*cking rabbits, so there is famine and nothing really to do but sit around and die, or kill people and you might be able to steal their food. it's not anyone fault that Etheopia doesn't have food, Etheopia doesn't have food because it's in the middle of a big f*cking desert, and it's been a big f*cking desert since the last ice age.</div>Who the hell said that? I just said that it is, and it is, very stupid to say that they should kill each other off. If they would of had the resources they would of at least brought some better to it, but you are basically saying cut off everything, put more money into the U.S. That is why there are relief efforts to bring that FOOD AND RESOURCES ETHIOPA DOESN"T HAVE. They have so many kids so that at least some of their family will survive, that is how fucken sad it is there. I can't believe someone could even think like this. It's not Ethiopia's fault for them not having food, it will be the the World's fault for the more deaths that WILL occur if you just leave.Those countries you just named are the big, important ones, and they are very scant in a continent. This is not a country, this is an entire continent of people. I can say that some areas of the U.S. aren't so great, no need to fix them, no need to help the poor, because there are very wealthy people and a great living environment in other areas of the country.They don't fucken ask for much, just for some dam food, clothing, and shelter. The necessities of life, to deny someone that, just because it is taking some money (yes some, not all the dam money you seem to make it like, the war in Iraq takes a huge amount of money.) away from us, that could be used to help some areas in the country, but even from that amount, I doubt all of will go to another good cause.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 15 2007, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What do you want the world to do? start invading countries one by one and imposing martial law? Not all African countries are huge sh*t holes. Egypt is a very nice country, so is South Africa, Lesthoto, and a few others in the very southern part of Africa. the problem is the relgious wars which are going on. Also, many of those countries are in very unhospitable regions, which produce low crop yeild. but the people there breed like f*cking rabbits, so there is famine and nothing really to do but sit around and die, or kill people and you might be able to steal their food. it's not anyone fault that Etheopia doesn't have food, Etheopia doesn't have food because it's in the middle of a big f*cking desert, and it's been a big f*cking desert since the last ice age.</div>exactly. If a country is built on a desert and everybody fucks everybody helter skelter you're going to have an overpopulated country that's going to need to have a lot of people die one way or another. There's no point in donating money to help them to maintain their overpopulation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jul 18 2007, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>exactly. If a country is built on a desert and everybody fucks everybody helter skelter you're going to have an overpopulated country that's going to need to have a lot of people die one way or another. There's no point in donating money to help them to maintain their overpopulation.</div>What countries in Africa are overpopulated?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Jul 18 2007, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What countries in Africa are overpopulated?</div>"Overpopulation can be determined using the ratio of population to available resources"I'd say the vast majority of them don't have enough resources for everybody in the country, otherwise they wouldn't need our help.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Jul 18 2007, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What countries in Africa are overpopulated?</div>Pretty much all of them. but to be more spacific, Nigeria has a huge over population problem. they have like the 7th most populas country in the world, and they're a little larger than the state of Texas.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jul 18 2007, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"Overpopulation can be determined using the ratio of population to available resources"I'd say the vast majority of them don't have enough resources for everybody in the country, otherwise they wouldn't need our help.</div>It's not that simple though. Africa has huge resources that need to be tapped into, but they need help doing it. The main problem that a lot of countries have is the corrupt people in charge, why should millions suffer because of a few? There are ways to help without giving it direct to the people in charge.Besides the fact that the West should help because in the long run the World will be better off financially there is also the moral imperative to help.We should help because we can. The US has been helped out in the past; it would be a very different place if the French decided against supporting the War for Independence.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Milgod @ Jul 19 2007, 03:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We should help because we can. The US has been helped out in the past; it would be a very different place if the French decided against supporting the War for Independence.</div>something something they'd be speaking German something something
Well, there's at least one thing this thread proves that can give liberals solace.This is definitely not a Christian nation.
Most of you guys dont know the conditions in Africa. Theres kids on streets jesting at you with their hands to give them food. Especially in places like Sudan, even moreso in the South. Im from the Northside, but down in the South there is people in mini tents and the living conditions are horrible. They dont have proper garments and some walk around naked. That might be their religion in some places, but in others, they cant afford clothes. The cheap food their (called 'fool' in arabic, is fava beans) which they boil and eat plain. Some people dont even have that, and thats the cheapest food in Northern Africa.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 20 2007, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Most of you guys dont know the conditions in Africa. Theres kids on streets jesting at you with their hands to give them food. Especially in places like Sudan, even moreso in the South. Im from the Northside, but down in the South there is people in mini tents and the living conditions are horrible. They dont have proper garments and some walk around naked. That might be their religion in some places, but in others, they cant afford clothes. The cheap food their (called 'fool' in arabic, is fava beans) which they boil and eat plain. Some people dont even have that, and thats the cheapest food in Northern Africa.</div>If I ever win the lottery, im going to feed an entire africa village, and all ill ask in return is that they harvest my seeds in bunches.
