depth chart:Andrea Bargnani/RashoChris Bosh/HumphriesJason Kapono/Jorge Garbajosa/Graham/MoonAnthony Parker/Delfino/DixonTJ Ford/Calderonwe need to trade either garbs or graham for a point guard, if tj or calderon get injured we're screwed
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junot111 @ Jul 10 2007, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>depth chart:Andrea Bargnani/RashoChris Bosh/HumphriesJason Kapono/Jorge Garbajosa/Graham/MoonAnthony Parker/Delfino/DixonTJ Ford/Calderonwe need to trade either garbs or graham for a point guard, if tj or calderon get injured we're screwed</div>Calderon is the best backup PG in the League. We don't need another PG man....We need a rebounder. I want to get rid of Dixon, Graham and Rasho. We don't need those guys anymore, and I didn't like them last season.
I liked graham..I dont like garbajosa I think his slow ass cant shoot for sh*tand calderon wont be the best backup point guard in the league when he gets INJURED!remember the playoffs when they got injured in like the same game
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junot111 @ Jul 10 2007, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>depth chart: Andrea Bargnani/Rasho Chris Bosh/Humphries Jason Kapono/Jorge Garbajosa/Graham/Moon Anthony Parker/Delfino/Dixon TJ Ford/Calderon we need to trade either garbs or graham for a point guard, if tj or calderon get injured we're screwed</div> I wouldn't go off trading Garbajosa for a 3rd point guard in case of injury. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Calderon is the best backup PG in the League.</div> That's very debatable, and I disagree. I'd go with Brevin Knight, who is a better defender, a better distributor, and a savvy vet who can play the mentor role. Calderon is a good player, but I wouldn't say he has anything on Brevin Knight other than his shot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 10 2007, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't go off trading Garbajosa for a 3rd point guard in case of injury.That's very debatable, and I disagree. I'd go with Brevin Knight, who is a better defender, a better distributor, and a savvy vet who can play the mentor role. Calderon is a good player, but I wouldn't say he has anything on Brevin Knight other than his shot.</div>We've already been over this. I think Calderon is just as good of a passer as Brevin Knight, and a much better scorer. He shot over .520 last seson, which is amazing for a guard.Hmmm....His shot, driving, scoring in general, etc...Brevin has defense. That's it.
I strongly disagree that Calderon is a better distributor than Brevin Knight, or have the floor vision he does. Also, defense is half the game, I think you may be underrating the luxury of having a good defender at the 1 (especially off the bench). Calderon may be a better scorer than Knight, but that's also not a necessity for a point.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 10 2007, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I strongly disagree that Calderon is a better distributor than Brevin Knight, or have the floor vision he does. Also, defense is half the game, I think you may be underrating the luxury of having a good defender at the 1 (especially off the bench). Calderon may be a better scorer than Knight, but that's also not a necessity for a point.</div>I've watched Calderon alot. And trust me, the dude's an amazing passer off the bench. His strong point is setting up shooters, his drive and kick is so effective, it's not even funny. How do you think Andrea gets all his 3 balls? Yeah, Calderon would be a good answer.I know you won't believe me, so just to prove something to you, Calderon was 6th in the League in AP48M. I know that's not a great stat to go by, but it proves that he's a very effective paser for the minutes that he gets. And he still does it while being very effective scoring wise. You have no idea how well he can get to the basket, and his mid range game is solid. His 3 ball range still isn't there, but he doesn't take those shots unless he's wide open, so it doesn't bother me.If scoring is not a neccessity, then neither is defense. It's a good thing to be able to score, no matter what position you're playing, so you can't say that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't go off trading Garbajosa for a 3rd point guard in case of injury.</div>my bad I meant a package deal that would give us a guard but that would also give us what we are mainly looking for which is a reliable center
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2007, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I've watched Calderon alot. And trust me, the dude's an amazing passer off the bench. His strong point is setting up shooters, his drive and kick is so effective, it's not even funny. How do you think Andrea gets all his 3 balls? Yeah, Calderon would be a good answer. I know you won't believe me, so just to prove something to you, Calderon was 6th in the League in AP48M. I know that's not a great stat to go by, but it proves that he's a very effective paser for the minutes that he gets. And he still does it while being very effective scoring wise. You have no idea how well he can get to the basket, and his mid range game is solid. His 3 ball range still isn't there, but he doesn't take those shots unless he's wide open, so it doesn't bother me.</div> You're talking like I said Calderon doesn't know how to move the ball, all I said was that Brevin Knight is on a different level and he has better court vision. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>If scoring is not a neccessity, then neither is defense.</div> That's ridiculous. I don't even need to comment on that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 10 2007, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're talking like I said Calderon doesn't know how to move the ball, all I said was that Brevin Knight is on a different level and he has better court vision.That's ridiculous. I don't even need to comment on that.</div>How many bad defenders are in the NBA nowadays? I wasn't being serious. I think defense is a neccessity. But so is scoring.What I meant is that nothing is an absolute NECCESSITY for a basketball player, as long as he gets it done in other areas.Calderon DOES know how to move the ball. What the hell are you talking about? I think Calderon is just as good of a passer as Brevin. But we're getting no where with this.
I agree with CB32, brevin knight is a better backup PG,BUT,calderon is younger so he has alot more potential, PLUS he can be a reliable scoring option.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2007, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How many bad defenders are in the NBA nowadays? I wasn't being serious. I think defense is a neccessity. But so is scoring. What I meant is that nothing is an absolute NECCESSITY for a basketball player, as long as he gets it done in other areas. Calderon DOES know how to move the ball. What the hell are you talking about? I think Calderon is just as good of a passer as Brevin. But we're getting no where with this.</div> First of all, let me say that I did say Calderon knows how to move to the ball. My quote was this: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You're talking like I said Calderon doesn't know how to move the ball, all I said was that Brevin Knight is on a different level and he has better court vision.</div> You read it wrong. And having a good defender on your squad is much more valuable than having an extra scorer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junot111 @ Jul 10 2007, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I liked graham..I dont like garbajosa I think his slow ass cant shoot for sh*tand calderon wont be the best backup point guard in the league when he gets INJURED!remember the playoffs when they got injured in like the same game</div>you mean the best team defender on the team? Ya right. He was number one in rookie rankings for a while last season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 10 2007, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, let me say that I did say Calderon knows how to move to the ball. My quote was this:You read it wrong. And having a good defender on your squad is much more valuable than having an extra scorer.</div>That could be argued.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 10 2007, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, let me say that I did say Calderon knows how to move to the ball. My quote was this:You read it wrong. And having a good defender on your squad is much more valuable than having an extra scorer.</div>You know every offseason you guys say the Raptors need more defence, and we always prove you guys wrong and step up. Our defence isnt as terrible as you make it to be. We have a lockdown defender in Parker, good team defender in Garbajosa, Bosh has been getting better at defense since he came into the NBA, and Bargnani made strides in defense as well which you and me saw.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 10 2007, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know every offseason you guys say the Raptors need more defence, and we always prove you guys wrong and step up. Our defence isnt as terrible as you make it to be. We have a lockdown defender in Parker, good team defender in Garbajosa, Bosh has been getting better at defense since he came into the NBA, and Bargnani made strides in defense as well which you and me saw.</div>Dude, two seasons ago our defense was terrible.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2007, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, two seasons ago our defense was terrible.</div>Well I should have reworded it to 'last season' but you know what I mean.
If you consider Barbosa a PG, hes the best backup. Granted hes not a true point guard, but the guy still averaged 18ppg and a few assists off the bench. As far as playmaking PG...you can make a case for Ridnour, Knight, Calderon, and Devin Harris....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 10 2007, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know every offseason you guys say the Raptors need more defence, and we always prove you guys wrong and step up. Our defence isnt as terrible as you make it to be. We have a lockdown defender in Parker, good team defender in Garbajosa, Bosh has been getting better at defense since he came into the NBA, and Bargnani made strides in defense as well which you and me saw.</div> I didn't say anything about Toronto's defense though. We were talking about who's the better point guard between Brevin Knight and Jose Calderon, and I said in general, a good defender is more valuable than an extra scorer on a roster. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jul 10 2007, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you consider Barbosa a PG, hes the best backup. Granted hes not a true point guard, but the guy still averaged 18ppg and a few assists off the bench. As far as playmaking PG...you can make a case for Ridnour, Knight, Calderon, and Devin Harris....</div> Barbosa is more of a 2 and both Ridnour and Harris start.
Something people forget is that Calderon shot an astonishing 52% from the field. No backup in the PG scores as easily he does. Not even Barbosa, who shoots around 47% from the field. If your going to say, 'well barbosa vs. calderon obviously he wins offensively' dont say that, because thats his job to score, hes not called upon to set up his teammates. Calderon does that and scores efficiently. (His efficiency is also better than Barbosa's)
