OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. Hoopguru

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    Age group, Cases Percent, Ever hospitalized,‡ Deaths*
    0 to 19 43 2% 3 0
    20 to 29 206 11% 19 0
    30 to 39 283 15% 26 0
    40 to 49 338 18% 59 1
    50 to 59 327 18% 63 1
    60 to 69 326 18% 129 14
    70 to 79 195 11% 88 19
    80 and over 125 7% 62 37
    Not available 1 0% 0 0
    Total 1844 100% 449 72

    As of yesterday 72 deaths in Oregon, more than half from assisted living centers and only 2 (to many) under 60.
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    The burning down the economy argument is not accurate. The economy has changed for the foreseeable future. That's just a fact. Even if every state re-opens tomorrow doesn't mean things will get back to normal. Apply it to your life, are you going to go to Blazer games, concerts, and other events with large groups of people? The vast majority of Americans say they're not until a vaccine is available.

    This is a very complex situation, the economy is not a lightswitch that we can turn on and off.
     
  3. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    But lets lay this out:
    - Astroturfing campaign crops up with nationwide protests
    - Fox News ratchets up their "liberate the US" message
    - Trump does the same, in an about-face from the reopening plan he laid out 24 hours prior.

    The truth is hiding in plain site. This is the thing that you're speaking out against, for good reason.
     
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  4. magnifier661

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    Agreed, but we really just want our hospitals to not be overrun with hospitalizations. The survival rate is much much higher with proper medical care.

    We could conceivably open up pocket cities, with proper testing with this new federal guidelines. If there’s a spike, we would have the resources to move back a stage in that area and have the capacity to test and treat that area.

    Currently, we don’t have a cure or vaccine. It’s too optimistic to assume a vaccine will be available in 18 months. We as a country need to find ways to create herd immunities. Shutting everything down doesn’t stop or kill the virus. It only helps to flatten the curve.
     
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    I’m not one to put stock in fox or any other high profile media outlet. I usually read both sides, check their supporting links and find my own interpretation of the data.
     
  6. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    How dare you talk to a woman like that
     
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    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortn...rovisions-in-coronavirus-relief-bill-n2567112

    NY Dem Rips Pelosi for Adding 'Far Left' Provisions in Coronavirus Relief Bill
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    Source: AP Photo/Susan Walsh

    Rep. Max Rose (D-NY) seems to be one of those lawmakers who rolls with the tide of political expediency. With that said, he did hit the nail on the head by criticizing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for her stonewalling of Congress's coronavirus relief efforts in order to get her liberal agenda enacted.

    The Payment Protection Program, set up to relieve small businesses that have suffered during the coronavirus pandemic and economic shutdown, ran out of money on Thursday. Congress could have added another $250 billion to the program last week but Democrats blocked the vote.

    Rep. Rose, who represents Staten Island, shared the following message with Pelosi and other Democratic leaders.
     
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    I understand that and realize that things have changed and will continue too. For retiree's like my wife and I we can weather it on our pensions and such but the younger generation does want to get back to work even if things have changed. If a vaccine isn't available within a reasonable, if at all, I think you may be surprised how many people will get out and attend things if available. Just my hunch.
    Drive by a Lowe's or Home Depot and notice how busy they are, if the State Parks were open they would be filled.
    Time will tell
     
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    more than that, we are seeing that there may be a few possible avenues for effective treatments developing. As more of the curves are flattened, and fewer people get infected sooner, rather than later, the better the chances are there will be effective treatments when they (we) do get Covid. And of course, the closer we would get to a possible vaccine.

    Or, according to the interview above, flattening curves will mean more people will contract Covid when it's a less severe strain as it potentially mutates
     
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    Good article. Although, some of the studies weren’t peer reviewed which they stated.

    I did like this statement: Experts say that SARS-CoV-2 likely falls somewhere in the middle, such that people who get exposed are neither sterilized against further illness nor left utterly defenseless.

    This is a point I’m trying to say. Pocket mitigation with decent testing can control the spikes while an indefinite cure or treatment is validated. In the meantime, herd immunities and off label treatments can be used to help in process.

    The main point of mitigation isn’t to kill the disease. It’s to limit the exposure of the of the virus completely overwhelming our healthcare system.
     
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    This is my issue with the armed people crowding state capitols to hold their rallies. Not that they are practicing their rights, but that they are doing so because someone told them to, not because they decided to spontaneously. These rallies are not organic.

    More are now making plans to protest simply because Trump has told them too. We have a duty to practice our rights responsibly. They aren't being responsible. A lot of those people probably don't even know exactly why they are there or what exactly they are arguing for.

    But, hey those guns look cool
     
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    https://cnn.it/2RQnd9F

    Mnuchin tells Jake Tapper that a deal is almost finished.

    "I think we're very close to a deal today. I'm hopeful that we can get that done," Mnuchin told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." Mnuchin told Tapper he is hopeful that if a deal is reached, the Senate could pass the bill on Monday and the House could pass the bill Tuesday.

    Mnuchin said that there will be money for testing, hospitals and small businesses in the new bill, but at this point, there will not be money for state and local governments. He said that the deal would allocate $300 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program, $50 billion appropriated for the Economic Injury Disaster Loan program, $75 billion for hospitals and $25 billion to invest in testing.
     
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    This is that Charlatan that says he has the power to blow the Covid-19 away. :angry:

     
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    RipCityDSCPL Could be worse, at least it's not Lonzo.

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    How can anyone still believe that the virus wasn't made in a damn lab.
     
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    But he has coke!!
     
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    Easy.

    It wasn't.
     
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    I’m leaning towards this theory. I guess we won’t really know though since China destroyed all samples and data.
     
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    Great! I will bring the Bacardi Rum and limes. :drinkapint:
     
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    Link?
     

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