OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Mitigation was never to stop anything. It was only used to slow down the spread so hospitals don’t get over-run. But with a lot of antibodies tests, you can determine “herd immunity.” That’s 50%>

 

There was a study in New York that associated 4% of all US deaths are from poverty. I posted it here some time back.

 

Or maybe, like this mitigation, he was told by his pandemic team to shut down migration? Funny you mention logic. It’s entirely logical for 22 million people and counting to lose their jobs to flatten the curve, but you can’t hurt the farm workers by immigration? OK

 

I'm actually of two minds about the "herd immunity" thing

one is that I believe it's way too early to ease restrictions. We simply don't know enough about Covid to set any intelligent easing policies yet. And one big thing we don't know is if herd immunity will even work with this virus. There are lots of stories about people 'cleared' of the virus NOT developing a sufficient level of anti-bodies to grant them immunity. Another thing we don't know is just how long a person is infectious after symptoms disappear. And we don't know how long immunity lasts. It might be a matter of weeks instead of a matter of months, or longer

and we obviously are not able to test anywhere close to the levels we need to. All these factors, and many others, point to keeping the polices we have in place for longer than May 1

but at some point, if we don't have a vaccine till 2021 for instance, some calculated risks will have to be taken. Too many people live paycheck to paycheck, and they don't have paychecks right now. The big problem isn't 'opening' up businesses though; it's that the spending that fuels the economy isn't coming back for a long time. It might barely be a trickle for months

my wife and I are OK. We are retired, we have 3 acres; a big yard and garden. We have SS and Medicare, a pension, and savings. We can afford to continue stay-at-home and social distancing for a long time. And since we are older, and my wife is vulnerable, we will in any event. And if you're stuck, Oregon is a damn fine place to be stuck, especially in the summer. Too many people are not as fortunate and they can't afford to do what we can. I agree that current policies are unsustainable. I disagree, strongly, that now is the time to change those policies

and I'll repeat: if we relax restrictions and there's a significant increase in infections and deaths, the economy will crater even worse than it already has

 

damn right it's logical to flatten the curves because the alternative would have crashed hospitals all over the country. That's what all these lockdowns were about

 

https://abc7news.com/amp/coronavirus-usc-study-antibody-la-county-covid-19/6118034/

This study says 4+% if Los Angeles’s population where infected. Supports close to the Ohio prison outcome.

 

Great, you agree then. Smart move to shut down immigration. Glad we agree.

 

I am envious of you if you are in a position financially that you have the ability to take 6 months off of work.
Even the well known Blazer broadcaster who is a member of this site couldn't have done that. He made a thread about it soon as he learned the NBA season was shut down.
I'd say if Americans really went 6 months without a paycheck. The vast majority of us would lose the ability to feed & water ourselves.
Heck I'd say 3 months the majority of Americans would lose the ability to feed & water ourselves. That's being generous also, as I have my doubts it would take that long for the basic needs to go unfulfilled.

This isn't even talking about a house payment, electricity, phone bill, car payment, sewer, student debt, etc.
Basic need of food and water would be lost.

 

Yep, that must be it. The reflex resistance to everything Trump definitely validates the TDS

mags

 

Take a lap.

 

LOL...wut?

 

https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/pu...verty-lack-education-and-other-social-factors

Here’s the study. Estimate 240k deaths in the United States are linked to poverty. Poverty is a most prolific killer.

mags

 

You said damn right it’s worth it (losing jobs to save lives). You responded to Sly about the migrants losing the farm jobs. So which is it? Do you support them losing jobs to save lives or not?

 

This study on the NIH site link 6% of all deaths to poverty

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134519/

 

Why will they be unemployed though?
Will it be because they refuse to take or do anything less than they were before they were laid off?
Or will it be because there are no actual jobs.
Big differences imo.

Pride will keep at least a portion of the currently unemployed, unemployed for lengthy periods of time.

 

It should not be ignored either, especially since therapeutic or vaccine therapy may not even work either. Plus, vaccines won’t be FDA approved for at least 10 more months (very optimistic timeline) and likely 3-4 months to scale it enough for mass treatment.