OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

I think it’s absolutely healthy to be concerned and to question every government policy.

I think Phase 1 and phase 2 are still highly strict guidelines for those that have higher risk. In the end, there has to be a slow reopening and policies in place to mitigate, contact trace and test hot spots.

 

First, No need to thank me. Its a breath of fresh air to be able to engage with someone of potential opposing viewpoints in a respectful manner.

So, I can agree with you on the deficit, though I acknowledge we seem to go on and on with it without real ramifications, even when we lost our top credit rating for a bit a couple years back (don't recall the year off hand). But at some point, there will be a collapse, no? The other factor to that is other countries buying up our debt. Countries we don't want to be in debt to. The larger our debt, the more we could potentially be wrapped into dealing with countries we do not want to deal with in that manner, like China.


See my thought is not any one of the above concerns I referenced I think can have real life effects, but when combining them all, the poverty level, I think will skyrocket. Unemployment already has. So one of two things in my opinion will need to happen in order to avoid a mass populous truly moving onto the side walks in the coming months.

1. Either the country will need to foot all their bills and send our deficit into a space unprecedented and likely not even thought possibly in years past.

2. Millions of people will go into a starving state, with no medical insurance. This will affect their health and some will die. but the bigger concern, is how many will die as those who become desperate start taking from others in order to feed themselves? The potential for civil unrest escalating into civil war/anarchy is a real concern I have in my opinion.


When people cant eat, they become desperate. History has proven this. So I suppose my real concern to not opening up, is not the deficit and the economical fall out itself, but what that fallout will means to the average person who cant pay rent, has no supplemental income(stimulus), ends up on the streets and cant eat.


Now regarding the phasing plan, I'm open to that, however currently the decisions being made of what to close vs what to leave open is a complete mess of contradictions. For example: not being able to fish in your own boat on a river. but being able to buy liquor.

When decisions like that are made, it makes the general public toss hands in the air and say, screw this. WTH, i'm going about my day. I may be wrong, but I have a feeling this is part of the issue protestors have in regards to the lockdown.



PS: the pointed fingers and accusational/insulting posts are prevalent here as well. However here it might be the opposite.

 

Personal distancing typically is the most effective way of containing something like this if there aren't vaccines or treatments, though, wouldn't you think? I'd be curious if a lot of these people didn't actually become infected before the quarantines went into effect, or if these people weren't really adhering to safe measures ... they were going out more than they should and/or they weren't taking precautions when they did.

It definitely bears study. But we might find out that the quarantine measures actually did exactly what they were supposed to do in mitigating spread. NYC is almost the perfect petri dish for something like this: An enormous travel and sightseeing hub that relies significantly on mass transit.

 

Having a mother in aq nursing homw that has had multiple deaths, this is very real for me.

Another reason i'm skeptical of how the Gov. is handling the closures/lockdowns.

It makes no sense to me to free prisoners because of their closed quarters, much the same as retirement communities. But yet, lets not separate infected from non infected in retirement homes. My mother has not been tested. Why not test everyone in these homes and separate asap?

So things like this and my other references, make me not trust the government on this lockdown. Let people continue with life, use common sense and what happens happens.

The virus is global. No stopping it. And we stemmed the speed of it already to allow for emergency services to get caught up and not be overwhelmed. It we play it safe, I don't see why we cant open up ion phases asap.

All just my opinion though.

 

I don't think that Trump would ever admit to getting tested positive for the Coronavirus.

 

All fair points and concerns, IMO. It seems like we just think in similar ways but there's nuance in it and maybe a difference in what we prioritize and therefore address the issues.

TBH, this might be the best thing in some ways for the healthcare industry and the rising costs there. I already see people I haven't seen before saying we need to look at this ... and we already had a pretty strong tide of people wanting to make bigger changes in how we handle it.

Things like this usually bring about sweeping changes. In an election year, I definitely could see that. I think leadership has been ineffective and probably made an already bad situation worse. People want to at least feel someone cares and is looking out for them. We've had so many mixed messages, and that's not good.

 

COVID-19 Daily Update

Less than 1% of all er visits are virus related.
Look at the age's of those most effected.
There has been a decline for the last 30 days.

 

I would think a moratorium would have to be placed on all of them for say three-four months. That means even the mortgages of the complexes.

Again, to me, you either can approach that as altruism or sound business practice. It just seems the sensible approach ... to not do it seems to lack foresight and to be blindingly selfish.

 

This is a silly comment. Of course he would admit to it because he would need treatment for it. There would be no way he could hide being infected.

 

Well if he ever did contact the virus you and I know that he'd find a way to spin it in his favor.

Just saw a video of him visiting a plant that is making masks...this knucklehead wore safety glasses but refuses to wear a mask.

His idiocy knows no bounds.

 

Corona virus news and discussions thread.

Take the hate trump posts to the Anti trump thread please.....

 

Just got back from Rite Aid and there was a Jeep in the parking lot with "Spread Love The Media Is The Virus" painted all over. With flowers like the ones in the 60"s.
I grew up in the 60's so it brought back some memories, back then it would have been "Spread Flower's & Beads, The Government Is the Virus" Man have things changed....

 

“We now have enough data to feel pretty confident that New York was the primary gateway for the rest of the country,” said Nathan Grubaugh, an epidemiologist at the Yale School of Public Health.

Let that sink in... The incompetence of Governor Cuomo, New York City Mayor Di Blasio is responsible for the majority of mortalities in the United States.

 

are you dizzy

 

The virus has no boundaries. Opening up certain areas and then having people traveling to and from areas is how the virus spreads. trump and his group came up with guidelines and now thay have essentially thrown those out the door. What a clusterfuck this has become as trump is only concerned about one thing and it's not the lives of individuals. He considers deaths of citizens like they are collaterasl damage and part of the process for his reelection.

 

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/costcos-sales-fall-for-first-time-in-nearly-a-decade-11588806906

Costco’s Sales Fall for First Time in Over a Decade

Fewer shoppers visited stores in April amid coronavirus pandemic, while low gas prices also ate into sales

 

February 12, 2020: https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/02/12/campaign-to-support-chinatown-amid-coronavirus-fears/

March 2, 2020: https://www.govtech.com/em/safety/A...-in-New-York-Gov-Cuomo-Urges-Deep-Breath.html

March 2, 2020: Bill Di Blasio tells New Yorkers to go out in town.


March 5, 2020: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-cases.html
Mayor tells New Yorkers not to change their behavior.

Senior Centers were mandated by the State to take in Covid-19 patients.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...home-forced-take-recovering-patients-n1191811
and they just added an additional 1,700 new deaths from nursing homes.
https://time.com/5832141/new-york-nursing-home-death-toll/

Yeah, my head is spinning

 

Knowing how Costco rolls.their margins have stayed te same or increased even w

The senior issue shows complete ignorance on the Gov's behalf. That one pisses me off as it could have been avoided.

 

New York and New Jersey account for 36% of all COVID cases AND deaths in the US. They should have dropped a blanket around those two states early on.