OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

that graph seem useless. Tells me nothing but maybe I can't read between the lines

and, considering that it does not define what "lockdown" means, and that most states have lifted restrictions in only the last 10 days, there's no way anybody can determine what Ro's are in individual states yet. I mean, Georgia was the first state to ease restrictions, and that was 17 days ago. The incubation period is 5-14 days. Hospitalizations occur 7-15 days after 1st symptoms. It's about a month too early to be reaching conclusions about the impact on "infection rates"

I'd also point out that just because a state eases restrictions doesn't mean behavior will suddenly return to normal. I think most people will continue to practice social distancing and caution when they are in public.

 

Why

 

Said your mom was selling her house there.

 

Ah. Lived there till I was 11. Moved to Northern California through college and after a bit then to San Diego. Moved back here in 2007.

 

Did you?

 

W

What does this say? I have ad blockers on that don't load facebook.

 

Twitter work?


Basically the CDC says COVID doesn't spread easily on surfaces.

 

Yep. Thanks!

 

Sounds like a very reasonable answer. I’m just worried from that N.Y. data of 66% of their hospitalizations were from those in mitigation. I think being out, exercising, and stuff is healthy for our immune systems. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.

 

Nah Canby. Consider people from LO limousine liberals.

 

MInstrel?
@Strenuus
@SlyPokerDog
@Chris Craig

Can I point out my issues with conversing with certain people here? Read above. The first quote is 100% false. Twice. I never said anything about eradication. I also never attacked anyone. I just left the cricket post go and laughed... which offended some apparently, who defend such hypocritical behavior. AT THAT POINT is when I started returning fire.

There are a couple of people who post all day and all night and flood every conversation with their opinion and try to push out anyone who disagrees... most anyone. And uses lies to do so(See above)

Now I understand the call to use the ignore, and that's a 100% on me.

But how do you expect people to have conversations when there are blatant false accusations that no one else here will step in and refute? SO the person being falsely accused, feels the need to defend what he said? Because no one else involved will say.. whoa... he didn't say that and cut the lies off?

Just the latest example I just quoted above.

I never once said anything about anything being eradicated ,yet here is Cup saying I made a false claim that it had been irradiated... twice.

Of course i'm going to be frustrated as the conversation continues, if people cant be honest and blatantly make shit up and NO ONE IN THE FORUM STEPS UP AND CALLS THE BLUFF.

This happens on a regular basis.

maybe if more people actually stood up for the truth and condemned people here making blatant false accusations, the defendant wouldn't feel the need to do it himself so often.

But instead, this type of conversing is allowed and seems to be the favored style and i'm saying if that's the case, you will soon have nothing but one common voice coming from a few people and everyone else will move on....just like Olive.

SOOO many people see the pattern developing and as mods you are defending those making it happen and condemning those putting up a fight.

@Minstrel I have really only had issues with three people here. HCP, Yank and Cup. HCP is a completely different situation where we both share some blame, but as you can see, we don't fight daily.

If it were my issue, id still be fighting with him all the time, but that was an isolated case.

With regards to yank and cup, its the smothering they give this place 24/7 in every thread ridiculing people who disagree with them. I have had many good conversations and made some good friends from here too, so the insinuation that its just me and no one else with the issue, I do not agree with at all. I just dont walk away and leave the forum like many. I push the conflict in hopes that those in charge will see the truth of whats going on here. ( In this instance I didnt even push shit. Just tried to have an up and up convo, trying once again to give cup the benefit of the doubt and trying to turn the corner)

I get it. people wont change.. but then you guys want me to change, like I want others to change. That's kinda hypocritical too isnt it?


I know you mods get more complaints about this than you let on in public. But the fact is the rules in place combined with the style of a couple of posters is going to plague this place out and all you will have will be 6-10 people agreeing on everything.

I don't think that's what you want, but I have talked to enough people to know its a real possibility. If you guys choose to ignore the complaints and cater to this type of behavior, then there is no one to blame, me, cup anyone if/when this happens.

Ignore only goes so far and you guys know this.

Mags put cup on ignore because he couldn't stand the banging his head on the wall of hypocrisy. If you notice now, his conversations have wound down a bit. I'm pretty sure its because with ignoring cup and possibly yank, half the posts in threads go away and one cant follow convos, so you one doesnt get involved. Not speaking for him, but i've tried it and it happened to me.

Ignore works great if the person being ignored is just a normal poster, but when they live on this board with nothing else in their life but an agenda to get over on the next poster who has a differing opinion, it doesn't work so well.
Cup claiming some sort of victory over this with Mags is hilarious to me btw. lol


Anyhow, I would have sent this in a DM, but cant send a DM to more than one person anymore(not sure why that change,d but its pretty stupid IMO).

Ive never denied my involvement in the conflicts and take 100% responsibility for my actions and statements. But my actions and statements have always been aimed at trying to create a more constructive, peaceable environment, and your guys' condemnation of that in the face of supporting their behavior, is really compelling.

Take a look at the daily post counts. See who tops the list day after day. Im 99% sure who leads the charge. Then try to picture putting them on ignore and how conversations would look like with every third post gone. Ive tried it. IT doesn't work as well as you think if you still want to be an active participant in conversations.


And lastly @Minstrel if you don't think political alignments have a factor in how people are treated, you are also mistaken. This is a very liberal forum, so the few conservatives who voice their opinion get ganged up on by the masses... but then its the conservative who has the issue, when he pushes back? I hope you see that's a pattern as well. There are some conservative posters, but most avoid the politics because they are smarter than I and understand how biased this place can be.

Now. You can continue to condemn the minority who try to speak up and push for fairness and the truth, or you can continue to support those who twist words around, make false claims about false claims(that one is hiliarous) and simply are incapable of having a mature discussion with someone who may not agree with them on everything.

If you clearly read the conversation through from the moment I quoted cup and agreed and stated that we accomplished the goal he mentioned and how it went from there, you will see I didn't initiate any conflict. Made a comment and when it was responded to, I then asked an agree or disagree question. I wasn't trying to start anything other than just have a decent convo.

@Minstrel Are you claiming that its my conversation style in this issue that is the problem and everyone else was perfectly fine?

You can reply in DM if you like. I know having these discussions in public really ruffles some people feathers around here....

 

My goodness.

 

lol, the dude definitely woke up early to get it off his chest. Poor fella. I hope he doesn't have a breakdown on this forum.

 

You dudes definitely woke up early to rebut. Not saying any of you are fools but FFS, can we just keep a thread on topic?!

 

@SlyPokerDog
@Minstrel
@Chris Craig

Its this kinda shit here that goes on all day every day. Its this kinda shit that's ruining the forum for so many. Its this kinda shit that makes me want to defend and argue against this complete BS post trying to ridicule me , but yet again, not taking ownership of his own involvement in derailing of anything.

You guys support this?

If you guys do not speak up and condemn him for these types of posts the same you do as mine, then its clearly obvious what you guys want out of this forum. Please give me a clear answer on this. It will help me in my future direction of involvement here.

You guys tell me to ignore him...

Why not tell him to ignore me too? See He cant stop commenting about me either. There was a time he was chasing me around hanging on my every post and you guys didn't day shit and then got mad at m for finally saying enough of this bullshit.

Orrr... you can come down on m for this post while not saying a word about the other and how it isn't constructive either.

If you are going to allow some people to play bullshit games around here, you shouldn't condemn those who point out issues with the game.

 

Ive asked for it to go to DM, to try to avoid another day of BS, and I noted why I didn't start in the DM.

I woke up early cause I have carpet being laid at 8AM so I needed to get some stuff done super early this morning and I got done quickly.


I 100% agree. Ive said my peace and asked it to continue in DM if it does and will break off of the thread conversing on this.

Back on topic.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html