I was watching Outside the Lines today. The episode was mostly focused on steroids. They had a story about Mark McGwire and how his involvement with steroid use has tarnished his legacy. Anyway, they went on about how they won't put this statue of Mark outside Busch Stadium or whatever the hell the Cardinals' field is. Then they went to this guy who is a collector of Mark McGwire memorabilia. This is where he says the most mind-blowing thing I have heard in a long time. He says something like, "Show me syringes, receipts, some physical evidence that McGwire has taken steroids, then I'll believe it."After I heard that, I almost hacked up a lung. I was laughing so hard. It is so unbelievable to me that people really think McGwire and guys like him have not taken steroids.Idiots actually believe that McGwire went from this scrawny fool:to this massive meathead:...without performance-enhancing drugs. Yeah right... milk, my ass.I would be alright with the fact that he did it if they would just handle it maturely and sensibly. Bonds and McGwire have both avoided the issue to the extent where it's downright irritating. McGwire has basically implied a few times that he has taken steroids too. They showed a video where he was talking about how he didn't want to talk about stuff in the past.And I don't want to hear all these people saying, "blah blah Barry hasn't been caught, durr durr." The irony would be funny, but I'm sick of hearing it.Is anyone else sick of people that just can't admit that illegal performance-enhancing drugs are a problem in today's sports? I'm talking about all sports too... football, track and field, baseball, and cycling.
I think you're right. The thing that makes me so sad about this is I was a big McGwire fan in the late 90's. Him and Sosa's chase to 61 was one of the greatest seasons ever. Then the BALCO thing came up and then that just made me hate him.I also agree that sports are turning their head to it because these guys who are taking steroids are making them money. You think every town Bonds goes to doesn't sell out? People wanna be part of history, the chase to 755. Clearly Bud Selig knew about the steroids but didn't want to address it until Conseco publically did. He had no other alternative. I'm surprised more people haven't been busted in the NFL too. That's a sport just waiting for dumbasses to take steroids and get caught. And their punishment's weak. Merriman got like 5 games and still went to the Pro Bowl.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 13 2007, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm surprised more people haven't been busted in the NFL too. That's a sport just waiting for dumbasses to take steroids and get caught. And their punishment's weak. Merriman got like 5 games and still went to the Pro Bowl. </div> Why don't NBA players taker steriods?
Your right, but the biggest thing that I find to be comical is that people don't realize HOW MANY others were probably on the steroids during this era. I doubt it was just Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, Conseco, etc. I think it was more of guys you never heard of, who never made an impact on the game...I think like 75-80% of people during the late 80's and 90's were taking steroids...that's just my theory, take it or leave it..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 13 2007, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't NBA players taker steriods?</div>Im sure a couple do. But the NBA is just as much of a finnesse game as it is a stregth game. The NFL and MLB are all about power and coordination.
I do think its ridiculous, its quite obvious that guys like Sosa, McGuire, and BONDS have taken steroids, and yet they get away with it. This is why I say Bud Selig is the worst commissioner in all of pro sports EVER; he basically sits around and hasn't done anything drastic to change this culture. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I think people make way too big of a deal over steriods.</div>Cheating in sports isn't a big deal? Millions of prep baseballers and kids look up to these guys; if they take steriods its setting a bad example. If they keep this up, everybody will be juicing and the old, healthy way of working out and improving yourself will be gone.
I hate how many people imply that people that say Bonds took steroids think is because of his race. Please. The guy is a cheater, and doesn't deserve to go for the record. There is a book out there talking in great detail about how Bonds took steroids etc. But if it wasn't true, why wouldn't Barry sue them? It doesn't make sense. He definitely took them. As did McGwire and Sosa. Oh yeah, and it's just hilarious to me how after years of seeing Sammy Sosa speak perfect english (with an accent) in interviews etc. He suddenly couldn't speak english for the courts.
They did take steroids, but I just don't care anymore. You can't even tell anymore becuase skinnier players have tested positive also. I just think of this as the Steroid Era of baseball and I just really don't care when I hear about someone else being caught.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jul 13 2007, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They did take steroids, but I just don't care anymore. You can't even tell anymore becuase skinnier players have tested positive also. I just think of this as the Steroid Era of baseball and I just really don't care when I hear about someone else being caught.</div>I agree. Everyone is tired of hearing about it...Bonds took steroids, and so did McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Canseco and Sheffield. Even skinner and much less known players like Alex Sanchez and Yusaku Iriki (who?) were suspended for steroid use. If anything, we'll be having this conversation again in ten years when A-Rod is on the verge of breaking Bonds/Aaron's record...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 13 2007, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Cheating in sports isn't a big deal? Millions of prep baseballers and kids look up to these guys; if they take steriods its setting a bad example. If they keep this up, everybody will be juicing and the old, healthy way of working out and improving yourself will be gone.</div> Players have been cheating in sports since the beginning of time. I'm not saying it's not a big deal, but people have been making such a god damn big deal over steriods. How many more years are we going to keep talking about it? Everyone for a 15 year span was doing it, in the minors, in college, pitchers, catches, stars, duds...etc...It's over now, (for the most part), when are people ever going to get over it? Especially in baseball, there's so much good happening and it's steriods in the news 24/7. Now if a guy in the NFL tests positive, fans turn him into a baby-killer and hate the guy forever, even if it was over-the-counter supplement and a one time mistake.... So much of it is hypocritical, you have all these baseball fans that were rooting on Sosa, Bonds and McGuire and now they hate them and curse the monsters they helped create themselves.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 13 2007, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So much of it is hypocritical, you have all these baseball fans that were rooting on Sosa, Bonds and McGuire and now they hate them and curse the monsters they helped create themselves.</div>The thing I love most is watching the Giants play road games and hearing how loud Bonds gets boo'ed with all the "juiced" signs and asterisks in the crowd, and then when he hits the ball hard (a deep fly ball) the crowd stands up and starts cheering for that split-second...Of course, if the ball hit is actually a homerun, Bonds will just get boo'ed again by the time he touches home plate...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 13 2007, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your right, but the biggest thing that I find to be comical is that people don't realize HOW MANY others were probably on the steroids during this era. I doubt it was just Bonds, Sosa, McGuire, Conseco, etc. I think it was more of guys you never heard of, who never made an impact on the game...I think like 75-80% of people during the late 80's and 90's were taking steroids...that's just my theory, take it or leave it..</div>I don't disagree. I don't know if it was 75%, but I think there were a hell of a lot using it.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 13 2007, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think people make way too big of a deal over steriods.</div>I don't really care so much about the actual use of steroids. I mean, if we're talking about people using them in the past, we do need to get over it. The problem with that is that no one wants to admit they took steroids. It's sickening and annoying... I think people would be much happier if guys like McGwire just say that they did, that it was a mistake, they're sorry if they were bad role models, and whatever. Even if they don't feel that they did anything wrong, it would help the situation so much. Right now, baseball especially is in such a state of flux... it's hard to know if any of these records being broken even matter.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 13 2007, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not saying it's not a big deal, but people have been making such a god damn big deal over steriods. How many more years are we going to keep talking about it? Everyone for a 15 year span was doing it, in the minors, in college, pitchers, catches, stars, duds...etc...It's over now, (for the most part), when are people ever going to get over it?</div>I really disagree... performance-enhancing drugs are still widely used in a lot of sports. I think it's still decently big in track and field, baseball, and football, and HUGE in cycling. I've heard pretty much everybody in cycling has used something. I imagine it's pretty easy to hide the use of drugs like that. All you'd need is a chemist who knows what he's doing.edit: And I don't know about the steroids in basketball thing. It might be that the impact of jumping up and down is too much for someone on steroids. I know that sounds ridiculous, but I'm just throwing out a guess here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 13 2007, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't really care so much about the actual use of steroids. I mean, if we're talking about people using them in the past, we do need to get over it. The problem with that is that no one wants to admit they took steroids. It's sickening and annoying... I think people would be much happier if guys like McGwire just say that they did, that it was a mistake, they're sorry if they were bad role models, and whatever. I really disagree... performance-enhancing drugs are still widely used in a lot of sports. I think it's still decently big in track and field, baseball, and football, and HUGE in cycling. I've heard pretty much everybody in cycling has used something. I imagine it's pretty easy to hide the use of drugs like that. All you'd need is a chemist who knows what he's doing.</div> Everyone knows McGuire was on steriods, Androstenedione was open/clear as day in his locker in front of the media. Why should McGuire say anything? Everyone has already forgotten him, he's left the media to play golf and live with his family....Generally I agree, I'd like people to admit to things, but I don't mind if they don't.... It seems like everyone in cycling is on some sort of enhancement, but they aren't. Most people know nothing about cycling and when it's brought up, it's only about steriods, so thats why in part we get that impression. They had a cyclist on FSR last week and he said it's like most other sports, it's a minority of people that cast a cloud over everyone else....I'm not a cycling expert, but that sounds reasonable/believable to me.
