Why do people underrate the Raptors?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 24 2007, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys have no reason to believe the raptors will win LESS games than last year. We added more talent than we lost, simple.</div> What talent did you add? Jason Kapono? Because thats it. And you lost Peterson, you didn't really gain much at all this offseason. New York, New Jersey and Boston are going to win more games this season than they did last season, thus, I don't think you add to last seasons win total, it's pretty easy to come to that conclusion.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 24 2007, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If the Raptors get to the 2nd round in 6 games or less, I gaurantee you we will make it to the ECF, besides its too early to tell.</div>You really think the Raptors can beat teams like the Pistons, Bulls, Magic or Nets in a 7 game series to make it to the ECF. That's some wishful thinking. Well, if a fan has no faith in their team, then who does? Am I right? You know what. I think the Grizzlies will make the NBA Finals.

 

Well, Grizzfan, your completely forgetting that the Raptors added Carlos Delfino this offseason.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 24 2007, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, Grizzfan, your completely forgetting that the Raptors added Carlos Delfino this offseason.</div>True. They also added powerhouse Maceo Boston.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 24 2007, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>True. They also added powerhouse Maceo Boston.</div>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 24 2007, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Delfino does a little bit of everything, he's aggressive, and he likes to drive and shoot the basketball. He didnt get much PT because of Rip and Tayshaun, but he's a real nice young player. Emphasis on young too. I don't see how these guys aren't improvements over Mo and Fred Jones/Juan Dixon.</div> I think your taking a very average/bleh player in Delfino and trying to make a big positive out of him. Outside of being an aggressive player, he does nothing else, nobody in the Detroit board cared about him leaving because he was not very good. Delfino is going to be 25 next month, his game has not really grown at all the last few seasons. Carlos Delfino is not better than Fred Jones or Juan Dixon.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 24 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You really think the Raptors can beat teams like the Pistons, Bulls, Magic or Nets in a 7 game series to make it to the ECF. That's some wishful thinking. Well, if a fan has no faith in their team, then who does? Am I right? You know what. I think the Grizzlies will make the NBA Finals.</div>I'd agree with everything you said for now but since when are the Magic ranked up there with the Pistons, Bulls and Nets.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 24 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You really think the Raptors can beat teams like the Pistons, Bulls, Magic or Nets in a 7 game series to make it to the ECF. That's some wishful thinking. Well, if a fan has no faith in their team, then who does? Am I right? You know what. I think the Grizzlies will make the NBA Finals.</div>No you misunderstood. I said if the Raptors beat a team in the FIRST ROUND in 6 games or leas they have a good chance of making it to the ECF.You guys also make it seem like we are nothing compare to these other teams, the Bulls won TWO more games than us, and the Eastern Conference Champions Cavs won THREE more. You make it seem when they are lightyears ahead of us, when thats not true.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 24 2007, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think your taking a very average/bleh player in Delfino and trying to make a big positive out of him. Outside of being an aggressive player, he does nothing else, nobody in the Detroit board cared about him leaving because he was not very good. Delfino is going to be 25 next month, his game has not really grown at all the last few seasons. Carlos Delfino is not better than Fred Jones or Juan Dixon.</div>Nobody in Detroit cared about Milicic, hes averaging nearly 2 bpg, and is going to be a regular in the Grizz lineup.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TJFord11 @ Jul 25 2007, 03:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd agree with everything you said for now but since when are the Magic ranked up there with the Pistons, Bulls and Nets. </div>Rashard Lewis is just what the doctor ordered in Orlando. All they were missing was a scorer/shooter. The offense is now there outside and inside, and the good defense is still there. The Magic will be a good team this year.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 25 2007, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No you misunderstood. I said if the Raptors beat a team in the FIRST ROUND in 6 games or leas they have a good chance of making it to the ECF.</div>You didn't say "they have a good chance," you said "I guarantee."<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You guys also make it seem like we are nothing compare to these other teams, the Bulls won TWO more games than us, and the Eastern Conference Champions Cavs won THREE more. You make it seem when they are lightyears ahead of us, when thats not true.</div>Regular season means nothing when the playoffs start, and I don't see the Raptors doing that much damage in the Playoffs. Both of the Bulls and the Cavs beat the Nets last season, a .500 team, which is something the Raptors couldn't do.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 25 2007, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You didn't say "they have a good chance," you said "I guarantee."Regular season means nothing when the playoffs start, and I don't see the Raptors doing that much damage in the Playoffs. Both of the Bulls and the Cavs beat the Nets last season, a .500 team, which is something the Raptors couldn't do.</div>Howd the Bulls beat the Neats if they only played 2 rounds? I agree we are not up their as a playoff team, but we are in the top 5. Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Toronto, Miami are the top 5 teams in the East IMO. Itll obviously be different come All Star break, but thats my prediction.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No you misunderstood. I said if the Raptors beat a team in the FIRST ROUND in 6 games or leas they have a good chance of making it to the ECF</div>I gaurantee we have a good chance

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 25 2007, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Howd the Bulls beat the Neats if they only played 2 rounds? I agree we are not up their as a playoff team, but we are in the top 5. Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Toronto, Miami are the top 5 teams in the East IMO. Itll obviously be different come All Star break, but thats my prediction.I gaurantee we have a good chance </div>My bad, the Bulls didn't beat the Nets, brainfart :dribble: . But I still hold true to my point.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 25 2007, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think your taking a very average/bleh player in Delfino and trying to make a big positive out of him. Outside of being an aggressive player, he does nothing else, nobody in the Detroit board cared about him leaving because he was not very good. Delfino is going to be 25 next month, his game has not really grown at all the last few seasons. Carlos Delfino is not better than Fred Jones or Juan Dixon.</div>Carlos Delfino is a good player, and he's definitely going to work better than Fred jones, considering Fred was a guy who settled WAY TOO MUCH on 3's, and he cant even hit them. Juan Dixon was a horrid shooter half the time, and terribly inconsistent. Plus, he was a bit of a ball hog. He can shoot, he's a nice ball handler, he can drive it, and he gets boards. And he had to play behind Richard Hamilton. How much of a chance did he really get to show himself? And how much of a chance did he have to grow when he wasn't getting any minutes behind Hamilton?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jul 25 2007, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What talent did you add? Jason Kapono? Because thats it. And you lost Peterson, you didn't really gain much at all this offseason. New York, New Jersey and Boston are going to win more games this season than they did last season, thus, I don't think you add to last seasons win total, it's pretty easy to come to that conclusion.</div>You realize that 82games stats prove that we were alot worse when Peterson was on the floor. I've tried to tell you this over and over again, but you're just too thick skulled to understand. Mo was inconsistent as hell, and a bit of a ball hog and shot jacker. He would take alot of ill advised threes, and at the beginning of the year, he was absolutely ice cold. Atleast we now have Kapono, who will not take alot of ill advised shots, and someone who won't hurt the chemistry, well beind one of the best shooters in the League.I'm not even going to start on Carlos Delfino, because your also too dumb to understand that he never had a chance to show himself behind Rip hamilton. How do you know that? Every year team who are expected to win drop off. It happens every year. There always has to be the bad teams in the conference and division. We improved too, you know. How many young/inexperienced guys do we have that will improve? A TON...Bargnani will probably step in as the 2nd option, Ford and Calderon will get better...Bosh will get better, Delfino will improve, and Parker and Garbajosa will gain on more experience. Plus, the additions improved our team too...It's better than Peterson and Dixon...I'd much rather have Kapono and Delfino over peterson and dixon, actually to tell you the truth.How the F*ck did we not improve? God you're boneheaded...you have this image that we just had a fluke year...because after all, we're only the Craptors, right?

 

Your obviously a good team, a good team that was made better by a pretty awful division. Now those teams have stepped up and your pretty much the same team from last year. To me, you didn't really get that much better from last season, as I posted before. You can call me boneheaded and thickskulled and make up things I never said all you want.

 

They are underrated, because they don't see as much attention as they are in Canada.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 25 2007, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rashard Lewis is just what the doctor ordered in Orlando. All they were missing was a scorer/shooter. The offense is now there outside and inside, and the good defense is still there. The Magic will be a good team this year.</div>But they don't rank with the teams you listed yet..they still have to prove their better than the Nets, Raptors and Wizards.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 26 2007, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rashard Lewis is just what the doctor ordered in Orlando. All they were missing was a scorer/shooter. The offense is now there outside and inside, and the good defense is still there. The Magic will be a good team this year.</div>Ya, the same could be said about Randolph with the Knicks, except players have to co-exist. I doubt howard will be looked upon on offense from now on.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 26 2007, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ya, the same could be said about Randolph with the Knicks, except players have to co-exist. I doubt howard will be looked upon on offense from now on.</div>Same can't be said. Randolph was not what the doctor ordered in New York. They already had an inside scorer in Curry. Sure, he gives them 3 or 4 more rebounds, but he also adds more bad chemistry to a team with the lowest team chemistry in the NBA. Not to mention the Magic had one of the best defenses in the NBA last season, compared to the Knicks who had one of the worst, and Randolph doesn't help with it. So really, Randolph doesn't feel any big needs for the Knicks, while Lewis does.