OT Don't Be Dissin' The American Flag

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  1. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    I'm not, actually. I was simply making suggestions as to how they might make their protests go a lot further moving forward. I do understand the spirit of this thread, though, and the overall complaint against Drew Brees. Actually, way in the beginning of the thread, I agreed with @Lanny who essentially advocated having hand over heart, singing the anthem, yet still taking a knee with the others. Respect and honor all boiled into one.
     
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    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    My post still stands and the question, while rhetorical, was legitimate. And you stating that Trump is enabling white privilege is flat-out wrong.

    I've probably had 20 posts in here stating, and re-stating my positions on the subject. I think you're smart enough to know where I've been coming from.
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Somehow this seems appropriate almost half a century later.....

     
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    Luvs me some John Prine.

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    the whole planet disagrees with you on this one....Trump is the worst enabler of bad social behavior we've ever had in DC....I've read enough of your posts to know you have an inherent need to sweep Trump's horrible leanings under the rug and prop up as much reasonable doubt around him as you can dig up....tough job ...but you're clearly on the wrong side of history...Trump has enabled bad behavior and made lying the status quo....yeah....I have opinions about that.What's flat out wrong is cheering him on for any reason. Of all the choices we make in a life...Trump is a bad, uninformed choice. Donald Trump is the poster boy for white privilege and a vote for Trump is a vote for exactly that
     
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    People just need to tune Trump out and focus on positive ways to bring people together as Americans.
    Lets have a no politics allowed muti cultural rock festival where there is peace and love!
    What tribe to you belong too?
     
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    The first step in this is tuning him out by vote....positivity should be the message from the top, unfortunately it's the opposite. People are giving me new hope this last week though...if they have to confront government or police state abuse...they will
     
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    Agree. Lets hope Joe overwhelmingly convinces the electorate change is a needed.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    I think Trump is doing that.
     
  11. ABM

    ABM Happily Married In Music City, USA!

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    Last I checked, minorities were making some headway under his policies. But, anyway....
     
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    Like Hillary did...
     
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    I never thought of a cop choking off the blood to a black man's head as making headway.....I never thought detaining and separating Hispanic families at the border and calling the men all rapists was making headway...I never thought calling poorer countries than us, shithole countries as making headway for minorities.....we now have protests all over the country over the so called "headway" policies
     
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    what is really sad to me is it has been almost 4 years since boyer and kaepernick came up with the taking a knee protest about police brutality but that there really hasn't been meaningful reform to address the issue. i am hopeful this time there is a different outcome.
     
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    Thanks for helping to make my previous points.
     
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    again what is sad is this piece was written in august of last year. it documents the abandonment of reforms embraced and instituted by the DOJ under the previous presidency. i think the quote at the end of the following article sums up the frustrations of many concerning meaningful policing and judicial reforms that have not come about since Ferguson.

    “I can’t say things have gotten better,” Blake Strode, executive director of ArchCity Defenders, a legal advocacy organization that has fought ticketing practices, told the Times. “I understand the status quo to be one of structural racism, poverty, overinvestment in the carceral system, and policing and prosecution. That is as real today in 2019 as it was five years ago in 2014.”

    https://eji.org/news/five-years-after-ferguson-policing-reform-abandoned/

    A Federal Retreat from Reform
    After police in Ferguson met protestors with tanks and other military-grade equipment, the Obama administration convened the President’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing and, unveiling its recommendations in March 2015, President Obama called on the nation to seize the opportunity “to really transform how we think about community-law-enforcement relations so that everybody feels safer and our law enforcement officers feel, rather than being embattled, feel fully supported.”

    The Justice Department’s civil rights division embarked on an unprecedented police reform campaign using investigations and consent decrees with police departments in Baltimore, Chicago, and Ferguson alongside a voluntary Collaborative Reform program that enrolled 16 police departments across the country.

    The Trump administration has abandoned those efforts, halting new investigations and fighting to block or limit existing consent decrees. In September 2017, hours after a white police officer was acquitted in the shooting death of a black man in St. Louis, the Justice Department announced that then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions had eliminated the Collaborative Reform program.

    And just before he left office, Sessions issued a memorandum to make it more difficult for DOJ to enter into consent decrees with state and city governments, mandating closer control by the department’s most senior political appointees, requiring expiration dates for consent decrees, and limiting what the department can require of state and local agencies.

    About a third of the staff assigned to investigate police practices at the Civil Rights Division’s Special Litigation Section (which numbered 29 people at its peak) have departed since Trump’s election, HuffPost reports. The Trump administration has shrunk the unit and there are no plans to replace employees who have left.
     
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    What you've related is very enlightening. I wasn't aware of this. I can only hope and pray that Trump will take measures in his administration's own right to help improve relations between cops and minorities...which has now become a worldwide phenomenon. Trump continues to cite the economy as the great emancipator. It will require much more than that. Much more.

    I suppose some degree of hope can be extracted from this - there's usually some good with the bad in all situations - but it's still painfully obvious how far away we still are. Godspeed.

    https://www.realclearpolicy.com/202...ent_in_race_relations_under_trump_483605.html
     
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    I call bullcrap.
     
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    I made a subsequent post.
     

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