Politics Portland's police chief just quit.

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  1. tlongII

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    de·fund
    /dēˈfənd/
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    verb
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    1. prevent from continuing to receive funds.
      "the California Legislature has defunded the Industrial Welfare Commission"
     
  2. Lanny

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    Incorrect.
    The way the expression is being used means to reduce some of the funds which they plan to use in other ways thereby reducing the need for some police resources and improving lives at the same time.
    You don't need a dictionary to figure out what they are saying since they qualify the expression several times.
    It's called vernacular.
    Also, I don't need to learn how to pronounce it since my lexicon is very wide and I am meticulous at pronouncing things correctly.
     
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    Lanny, How can you say an official definition is incorre4ct? LOL. Could it be that the label Defund, should be changed to be more accurately defined? Like overhaul restructuring or something?

    Defund means remove funds per Webster's.

    Its a poor choice of words by the activists and its causing major confusion.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Easy - The expression is qualified. I thought I explained that.
     
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    Are you using alternative facts on me?
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Don't be foolish. I know Kellyanne Conway to be a stupid horse's ass.
     
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    Expression doesnt = definition though.
     
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    It supersedes it via the qualifier.
    Why is it that you guys don't get this?
     
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    LOL...c'mon man. There are 18,000 police departments in the US. That's 18,000 budgets....cities, counties, states. And all those budgets are either right on or too low according to you? You do know that's a ridiculous argument, right? In order to make it you'd need to know every single one of those 18,000 budgets, line by line, as well as the needs of the constituency they serve.

    I'd suggest that almost all of those budgets should be and will be examined closely. I'd suggest that with the existence of laws granting police immunity nobody else has, and legal protections nobody else has, added to the obstinate power of police unions, the only leverage governments have to influence behavior of police is the allocations of revenue. It may be a blunt instrument, but unfortunately, blunt instruments are needed to battle stubborn militancy, brutality, intractability, and institutional racism
     
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    because getting into ridiculous semantic arguments is easier than debating the issue
     
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    I'd say quitting a job as chief of police in the current climate is avoiding going down with the Titanic....give me that lifeboat!
     
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    Just see social media. Its being fairly universally misunderstood. To help unify and support this quicker, it would help to have a more accurate description title. Not trying to argue. Just saying, its a fact its being misunderstood and its my opinion that it could be alleviated easily is all.
     
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    Okay, but if people are misunderstanding the answer to the issue(Defund Police) , isn't that ALSO an issue?

    Not everything is an argument man.....
     
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    LOL

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    "Defund" is being used accurately. The movement is about reducing the budgets of police forces. Now, you could say that there's more to it that's being lost in the word "defund," which is true, but "Start a review and overhaul of how we address public safety and reduce both the scope of police work and the number of police while we put more money into revitalizing neglected communities, more social workers who know how to connect with people and other measures that might better reduce crime rates" doesn't fit on a sign, nor is it an efficient rallying cry. It's better as the preamble for a website or policy paper. No single word is going to describe everything going on in a complicated issue, but "defund" isn't being used incorrectly.

    Anyone who actually cares to consider the issue in a good faith way will look into why and how people want to defund the police. Anyone who doesn't want to consider it in a good faith way will just keep saying "Sure, get rid of all the police and watch crime rates skyrocket."
     
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    See, ive seen conflicting descriptions, which is why I dont think the term should be used. Its confusing.

    Ive seen some say its simply redirecting. Not as much Militia gear, but more training. To me that isn't reducing the funds, its moving them around from one dept. to another still within law enforcement.

    My only point, which by making I guess makes me "argumentative"..(though everyone else can make them and not get shit for it...) is that people are not clear on what it means and in typical American fashion, jumping on board or off board based on their own understanding of defund, which is more often than not, NOT the correct understanding. It can easily be solved by changing the words labeling the desired change.

    Now people can "argue" with me all they want. I am just stating my opinion about the words and whats happening right now.

    Ill just go back to my hole now, cause you know... all I do is argue around here. No one else does....lol.
     
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    Is defuck better?
     
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    Are you signalling that you're anti-"fuck 12?"

    Are you actually a police dog? You have to admit it, if you are, narc.
     
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    figures....a GQ dog refusing to wear a mask....style over substance
     
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