<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 14 2007, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Rafer alston is their pg but Tmac has the ball in his hands much more as he is the superstar. Also Tmac has 6 assists per game compared to alstons 5 assists per game.Larry Bird is a point-forward, which is one of many things he was. Larry Bird did everything on the basketball court.No I dont consider Josh Howard a point-forward as he doesn't even average 3 apg. </div>lol at you.apg don't mean that much it means he a playmakerdoes it mean your a point forward- No.Larry Bird was not a point forward either. read post up top.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey if Chronz is such an idiot why don't you go "own" him like you say you can. Chronz is atleast giving you a good arguement, so if you can really prove him wrong so easily go do it instead of just saying he's an idiot. Your not proving anything this way. Your just making it look like you can't win the debate with Chronz.</div>dude stfu.I'm already in a debate stupid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>umm.. bringing the ball up.yeah rafer does it more stupid sh*t.wow get some knowledge please or turn off your computer and go outside.count larry bird and josh howard one too.lol, hes not the primary ball-handler.Kobe is and Odom is for the Lakers.Rafer = Primary ball-handler he handles the rock and brings the ball up more.</div>Exactly why no one takes you seriously.Oh heres game 1 between the Houston Rockets and the Utah Jazz....Tell me, Who's bringing it up? Who's making the plays? Who's passing the ball? Who's the primary ball-handler?Invalid Video LinkGame 5Invalid Video LinkGame 2Invalid Video LinkGAME 2! Clyde even mentions TMac as the Point Forward.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol at you.apg don't mean that much it means he a playmakerdoes it mean your a point forward- No.Larry Bird was not a point forward either. read post up top.dude stfu.I'm already in a debate stupid.</div>Alright, you can keep making excuses, but everyone will know the real reason your not responding to Chronz' post is because you know you'll lose it. You've had no problem responding to anyone else that disagrees but all of a sudden you have all these excuses why you can't debate against the person that brought up a good argument. Explain that one to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alright, you can keep making excuses, but everyone will know the real reason your not responding to Chronz' post is because you know you'll lose it. You've had no problem responding to anyone else that disagrees but all of a sudden you have all these excuses why you can't debate against the person that brought up a good argument. Explain that one to me.</div>chronz wouldn't want to argue me either.I wouldn't want to waste his time.I'm done with this tool.ok heres the thing stupid shits.T-Mac can do some roles as a point forward but he is NOT A POINT FORWARD AND IS NOT A NATURAL ONE.SAME GOES FOR JOSH HOWARD AND PAUL PIERCE.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol at you.apg don't mean that much it means he a playmakerdoes it mean your a point forward- No.Larry Bird was not a point forward either. read post up top.dude stfu.I'm already in a debate stupid.</div>Being a playmaker is what makes a forward a point forward. Larry Bird was a everything. he set up most of his teams offense seeing as his guards were primary shooters, very similar to Tmac and Pips situations. your too stubborn to admit when your wrong
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you guys are getting confused.the main thing you guys aren't distinguishing very well is that, there's a difference between running the offense with a player and running the offense through a player. You're right though, the Rockets run their offense through McGrady, but he doesn't necessarily run the offense. Kind of like the Celtics ran their offense through Bird, but Johnson, Ainge, Archibald, and a few other guys ran the offense.</div>read this please it was from the other page guess you guys are too lazy to look at it.that was a response from a smart poster somewhere else.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>read this please it was from the other page guess you guys are too lazy to look at it.that was a response from a smart poster somewhere else.</div>Just look at the games I posted, It's obvious he ran the offense. Some parts had Rafer running the ball up but those were times when McGrady wasn't even on the court. The majority of it was McGrady running the offense.Like PrimeTime said, you're too stubborn to admit you're wrong. Then you go call people stupid shits.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 14 2007, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Being a playmaker is what makes a forward a point forward. Larry Bird was a everything. he set up most of his teams offense seeing as his guards were primary shooters, very similar to Tmac and Pips situations. your too stubborn to admit when your wrong</div>again that doesn't mean that much.read the 1st page and the 1st post that basically describes a point forward.honestly, you guys need to just look at wikipedia maybe that will help.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dsounG @ Jul 14 2007, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just look at the games I posted, It's obvious he ran the offense. Some parts had Rafer running the ball up but those were times when McGrady wasn't even on the court. The majority of it was McGrady running the offense</div>wow, again you fail. he ran the offense.Theres a difference between running THE OFFENSE and THROUGH the offense.lol, nice excuse in the 1st video I saw Rafer was bringing the ball up.you honestly either have no eyes, you can't see or you refute to open your eyes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>again that doesn't mean that much.read the 1st page and the 1st post that basically describes a point forward.honestly, you guys need to just look at wikipedia maybe that will help.</div>''Point forward is an unofficial playing position in basketball for those who share the attributes of both a point guard and a forward.''-wikipediaI'd say when your sf averages more assists then your pg that makes them a point-forward. your just damn stubborn man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 14 2007, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>''Point forward is an unofficial playing position in basketball for those who share the attributes of both a point guard and a forward.''-wikipediaI'd say when your sf averages more assists then your pg that makes them a point-forward. your just damn stubborn man.</div>dude again, that doesn't mean that much that is your opinion truth is.you guys are getting confused.the main thing you guys aren't distinguishing very well is that, there's a difference between running the offense with a player and running the offense through a player. You're right though, the Rockets run their offense through McGrady, but he doesn't necessarily run the offense. Kind of like the Celtics ran their offense through Bird, but Johnson, Ainge, Archibald, and a few other guys ran the offense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>chronz wouldn't want to argue me either.I wouldn't want to waste his time.I'm done with this tool.ok heres the thing stupid shits.T-Mac can do some roles as a point forward but he is NOT A POINT FORWARD AND IS NOT A NATURAL ONE.SAME GOES FOR JOSH HOWARD AND PAUL PIERCE.</div>Chronz wouldn't want to argue with you? I beg to differhttp://www.bballworld.us/forum/Ive-come-to...TRO-t33691.htmlAlso like I said you have no problem arguing with everyone else that disagrees with you, but you won't debate with him. You have no problem "wasting everyone elses time" but you don't want to waste his. Please bro. You clearly just have no response for what he said. That's the worst excuse I've ever heard. You wanted a good debate for this and now you got one, but you won't take it. You've contradicted yourself in this thread so many times it isn't even funny.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>wow, again you fail. he ran the offense.Theres a difference between running THE OFFENSE and THROUGH the offense.lol, nice excuse in the 1st video I saw Rafer was bringing the ball up.you honestly either have no eyes, you can't see or you refute to open your eyes.</div>Are you blind? The only time Rafer brought the ball up in that video with T-Mac on the floor was when he got a steal. Were you paying no attention to how he got the ball or something?
being the primary ball-handler is one thing a point forward needs to have.[] primary ball-handler[]running the offense[x] playmaker<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Chronz wouldn't want to argue with you? I beg to differhttp://www.bballworld.us/forum/Ive-come-to...TRO-t33691.htmlAlso like I said you have no problem arguing with everyone else that disagrees with you, but you won't debate with him. You have no problem "wasting everyone elses time" but you don't want to waste his. Please bro. You clearly just have no response for what he said. That's the worst excuse I've ever heard. You wanted a good debate for this and now you got one, but you won't take it. You've contradicted yourself in this thread so many times it isn't even funny.</div>I wish there was a block button somewhere.any more arguments that you want to fail in dsounG?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wow, again you fail. he ran the offense.Theres a difference between running THE OFFENSE and THROUGH the offense.lol, nice excuse in the 1st video I saw Rafer was bringing the ball up.you honestly either have no eyes, you can't see or you refute to open your eyes.</div>Yeah...And who ran up the ball the majority of that game? TMac. And all those things you just said, TMac does. And why are you saying I fail? Lmao, You're bringing no facts whatsoever when I just showed you proof. All you're saying is they don't run him through the offense.
umm.. I see rafer bringing the ball up more.again you fail like you've been in this entire thread.I am slaughtering this thread.when nitro gets here hes probably gonna cry
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>umm.. I see rafer bringing the ball up more.again you fail like you've been in this entire thread.I am slaughtering this thread.when nitro gets here hes probably gonna cry</div> :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: Are you seriously blind dude? And you're not slaughtering sh*t, You're just f*cking stubborn.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the sweet smell of ownage.</div>That must be your foul breath.Being the primary ballhandler for a team is not necessarily true in all cases. Lamar Odom isn't the primary handler for the Lakers, but he is considered one of the best point forwards in the league...
Wow your pathetic. If you can't debate wwith him atleast be classy enough to admit it. Instead you just keep making excuses why you can't debate with him, but you can with everybody else. Your a whole lot of talk and no action. You said you could kill Chronz in the debate, but you won't debate him. If your gonna say all this stuff why don't you actually follow through with it. If not then get the F*ck out of here and admit you lost.
