<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That must be your foul breath.Being the primary ballhandler for a team is not necessarily true in all cases. Lamar Odom isn't the primary handler for the Lakers, but he is considered one of the best point forwards in the league...</div>yes, he is I see him bring the ball up all the time.bringing up the ball is usually not necessarily true though.Primary ball-handler yes.Odom just splits it with Kobe.T-Mac doesn't split it with anyone.he splits being the 2nd primary ball-handler with Luther Head.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow your pathetic. If you can't debate wwith him atleast be classy enough to admit it. Instead you just keep making excuses why you can't debate with him, but you can with everybody else. Your a whole lot of talk and no action. You said you could kill Chronz in the debate, but you won't debate him. If your gonna say all this stuff why don't you actually follow through with it. If not then get the F*ck out of here and admit you lost.</div>can I get a block button around here?when did I say thatI said I could easily kill that loner nitro.I don't care about chronz.chronz is more stubborn then JVG. once I own nitro I'm gone.I don't care if chronz comes in this thread.its 1 vs 5 around here and I'm winning
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dsounG @ Jul 14 2007, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: Are you seriously blind dude? And you're not slaughtering sh*t, You're just f*cking stubborn.</div>really, whos been putting up more factswhos been putting up CORRECT FACTS.Me Me.and whos been an idiot trying to curse just to look like a tough guyDSOUNGHAHAHAH
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes, he is I see him bring the ball up all the time.bringing up the ball is usually not necessarily true though.Primary ball-handler yes.Odom just splits it with Kobe.T-Mac doesn't split it with anyone.he splits being the 2nd primary ball-handler with Luther Head.can I get a block button around here?when did I say thatI said I could easily kill that loner nitro.I don't care about chronz.chronz is more stubborn then JVG. once I own nitro I'm gone.I don't care if chronz comes in this thread.its 1 vs 5 around here and I'm winning </div> , No you're not. You just believe you're winning because you think everything you say is correct, you're too stubborn to admit you lost.
Will you explain to me then why you don't care about debating Chronz but you'll debate this with anyone else here. Just please explain that one to me.
I'm stubborn dude?your the one is refusing to open your eyes and know what position tracy mcgrady plays<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Will you explain to me then why you don't care about debating Chronz but you'll debate this with anyone else here. Just please explain that one to me.</div>me and him waste like 5 hours debatingthere I'm done with you, you tool.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dsounG @ Jul 14 2007, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> , No you're not. You just believe you're winning because you think everything you say is correct, you're too stubborn to admit you lost.</div>LOL, I lostlook at how many arguments you've failedALL OF THEM YOUR PATHETIC.YOU 8 YEAR OLD.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm stubborn dude?your the one is refusing to open your eyes and know what position tracy mcgrady plays</div>No that's you. I have given up trying to reason with you as I did in the previous threads. You won't listen to any reason, you won't admit you're wrong, and you don't even know how to present a fact. :no1:
LOL AT DSOUNG CAN'T EVEN ADMIT I PURELY OWN THAT LITTLE KIDHAHAAND THAT KID THOUGHT HE WAS SMARTHAHAHAHHHHAAHHAHAAHHAHAYOU MADE MY DAD DSOUNGHAHAHA<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 14 2007, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No that's you. I have given up trying to reason with you as I did in the previous threads. You won't listen to any reason, you won't admit you're wrong, and you don't even know how to present a fact. :no1:</div>you guys are getting confused.the main thing you guys aren't distinguishing very well is that, there's a difference between running the offense with a player and running the offense through a player. You're right though, the Rockets run their offense through McGrady, but he doesn't necessarily run the offense. Kind of like the Celtics ran their offense through Bird, but Johnson, Ainge, Archibald, and a few other guys ran the offense.this is a fact.retard.I NEED AN OWNEDCORE.HAHA LOSERS.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm stubborn dude?your the one is refusing to open your eyes and know what position tracy mcgrady playsme and him waste like 5 hours debatingthere I'm done with you, you tool.LOL, I lostlook at how many arguments you've failedALL OF THEM YOUR PATHETIC.YOU 8 YEAR OLD. </div>There you go again. Making yourself believe you're always correct when a matter of fact you aren't. Also, you know why you think it's 1 vs 5? Because your facts are so invalid it's funny. But no, you're just going to continue saying "OMG YOU GUYS ARE SO WRONG AND I'M RIGHT! HAHAHA LOOK AT HOW MANY ARGUMENTS DSOUNG FAILED! AAHAHA HE'S SO BLIND! I'M SO RIGHT AND EVERYONE SHOULD LISTEN TO ME!"This has been explain to you over and over, you just can't accept it.
Well since you keep trying to get around it, I'll post Chronz' arguement in here. Now if you ignore it you are pretty much admitting you lost. You keep asking for people to give you facts. Well here are some facts. Either debate this or admit you lost. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chronz @ Jul 11 2007, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tracy is a POINTFORWARD because he handled the primary set up roles and he did it better than Rafer.Rafer COULD be a a good PG if he could be any kind of a threat offensively but you cant blame JVG for Rafer sucking. Rafer has had 1, count them 1 good season in a career that spans 8 years. He isnt a bad distributer and if you saw any of the Rocket games without him the offense really struggled to get going. But IMO Rafer is more suited for a back-up role or atleast a 25-28 minutes a night not a full fledge starter.LET ME JUST COPY AND PASTE OUR ARGUMENTOh what a great way to make it sound like you know what your talking about. Maggette LOL just find a new board to spam man, M2 doesn't need any lames. How are they even similar? Maggette never runs an offense because he isnt suited for that role a horrible passer mentioning him just about killed any argument you thought you had, the Mavs run the most simple iso-offense that no one on their team should be considered a PG much less Josh Howard. Paul Pierce does it from time to time but he isnt very effective at it.Lets just look at the comparisons you used:-----------+ Ast/40 + Ast/Ratio + T.o.Ratio + Maggette + - 3.6 -+--- 13.9 ---+- 13.4Howard --+ - 2.1 -+---- 8.7 ---+- 8.5Pierce ---+ - 4.5 -+--- 13.9 ---+- 13.4Tracy ----+ - 7.2 -+--- 19.4 ---+- 9.0Lebron ---+ - 5.9 -+--- 17.7 ---+- 9.4How do you get off comparing ANY of those guys to Tracy? None are as efficient of a set up man than Tmac, NONE combine high Assist rates/ratios with low turnover ratios. The only guy in Tmacs league among star scorers is Lebron and thats because hes a great passer though hes had better years, Lebrons game is slowly drifting away from that of a set-up man.If thats not enough then lets look at the league leaders in team assist %layer Team Ast T'Mate FGM Ast'd <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Nash PHO 693 1481 46.8% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Rodriguez POR 165 361 45.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Ford TOR 470 1075 43.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Williams UTA 593 1472 40.3% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Paul NOK 431 1072 40.2% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Kidd NJN 593 1477 40.1% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Calderon TOR 317 796 39.8% Wade MIA 362 937 38.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Tinsley IND 419 1114 37.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Knight CHA 191 523 36.5% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Davis GSW 402 1109 36.2% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Miller DEN 209 588 35.5% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Cassell LAC 256 739 34.6% McGrady HOU 358 1057 33.9% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Miller PHI 312 949 32.9% Iverson PHI 109 333 32.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Watson SEA 373 1144 32.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Billups DET 413 1278 32.3% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Felton CHA 452 1419 31.9% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Williams NJN 198 629 31.5% Oh my god whos name pops up there amongst nothing but POINTGAURDS is that Tracy McGrady? You tell me man, you can read cant you? If you can then explain how a non pg could make the list? Heres a hint, because he RUNS THE OFFENSE. The only guys who arent primary pointgaurds DONT PLAY THE 3, so by default are known as combo gaurds. Tmac qualifies as a POINT FORWARDTry watching some of Tmacs games and youll realize what it meens and maybe youll stop comparing his set-up abilities to that of Maggette'sTry watching some of Tmacs games and youll realize what it meens and maybe youll stop comparing his set-up abilities to that of Maggette's</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dsounG @ Jul 14 2007, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There you go again. Making yourself believe you're always correct when a matter of fact you aren't. Also, you know why you think it's 1 vs 5? Because your facts are so invalid it's funny. But no, you're just going to continue saying "OMG YOU GUYS ARE SO WRONG AND I'M RIGHT! HAHAHA LOOK AT HOW MANY ARGUMENTS DSOUNG FAILED! AAHAHA HE'S SO BLIND! I'M SO RIGHT AND EVERYONE SHOULD LISTEN TO ME!"This has been explain to you over and over, you just can't accept it.</div>again name a fact.you've failed.your the one who is saying invaild stuff.an 8 year old kid who curses a lot shouldn't have credibility either.the kid needs anger management or better look out.
:HAHAHA: Lmao, I'm done with you dude. Let's praise kobetmacyao01 for thinking he's right! He should win MVP or something
dsoung has to be the stupidest one here.and I thought nitro was stupidthis little kid is just a moron.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dsounG @ Jul 14 2007, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:HAHAHA: Lmao, I'm done with you dude. Let's praise kobetmacyao01 for thinking he's right! He should win MVP or something </div>yeah, thanks for finally admitting it.all your facts have been wrong.by the way I'd be sour if I got owned:HAHAHA:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dsounG @ Jul 14 2007, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>:HAHAHA: Lmao, I'm done with you dude. Let's praise kobetmacyao01 for thinking he's right! He should win MVP or something </div>I agree, you gotta hand it to him :worthy: :worthy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>again name a fact.you've failed.your the one who is saying invaild stuff.an 8 year old kid who curses a lot shouldn't have credibility either.the kid needs anger management or better look out.</div>Name a fact? I have named a lot. I gave you proof in those videos. And you're the one calling me blind? :no3: And I explained it to you in my PM, but all you came up with was..."this is why I don't post around here.people like you and nitro need some knowledge."<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dsoung has to be the stupidest one here.and I thought nitro was stupidthis little kid is just a moron.yeah, thanks for finally admitting it.all your facts have been wrong.by the way I'd be sour if I got owned:HAHAHA:</div>I don't know why you aren't sour right now then...Because you did get owned. You just don't want to accept it. You're one of those cocky kids that think they're always right.
yeah, name a factname a fact thats true.all your arguments and facts have been wrong.good for you.explain how I got owned.nobody has named any decent facts except for me.you haven't named me sh*t.
Tell me are these facts wrong also?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chronz @ Jul 11 2007, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tracy is a POINTFORWARD because he handled the primary set up roles and he did it better than Rafer.Rafer COULD be a a good PG if he could be any kind of a threat offensively but you cant blame JVG for Rafer sucking. Rafer has had 1, count them 1 good season in a career that spans 8 years. He isnt a bad distributer and if you saw any of the Rocket games without him the offense really struggled to get going. But IMO Rafer is more suited for a back-up role or atleast a 25-28 minutes a night not a full fledge starter.LET ME JUST COPY AND PASTE OUR ARGUMENTOh what a great way to make it sound like you know what your talking about. Maggette LOL just find a new board to spam man, M2 doesn't need any lames. How are they even similar? Maggette never runs an offense because he isnt suited for that role a horrible passer mentioning him just about killed any argument you thought you had, the Mavs run the most simple iso-offense that no one on their team should be considered a PG much less Josh Howard. Paul Pierce does it from time to time but he isnt very effective at it.Lets just look at the comparisons you used:-----------+ Ast/40 + Ast/Ratio + T.o.Ratio + Maggette + - 3.6 -+--- 13.9 ---+- 13.4Howard --+ - 2.1 -+---- 8.7 ---+- 8.5Pierce ---+ - 4.5 -+--- 13.9 ---+- 13.4Tracy ----+ - 7.2 -+--- 19.4 ---+- 9.0Lebron ---+ - 5.9 -+--- 17.7 ---+- 9.4How do you get off comparing ANY of those guys to Tracy? None are as efficient of a set up man than Tmac, NONE combine high Assist rates/ratios with low turnover ratios. The only guy in Tmacs league among star scorers is Lebron and thats because hes a great passer though hes had better years, Lebrons game is slowly drifting away from that of a set-up man.If thats not enough then lets look at the league leaders in team assist %layer Team Ast T'Mate FGM Ast'd <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Nash PHO 693 1481 46.8% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Rodriguez POR 165 361 45.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Ford TOR 470 1075 43.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Williams UTA 593 1472 40.3% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Paul NOK 431 1072 40.2% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Kidd NJN 593 1477 40.1% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Calderon TOR 317 796 39.8% Wade MIA 362 937 38.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Tinsley IND 419 1114 37.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Knight CHA 191 523 36.5% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Davis GSW 402 1109 36.2% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Miller DEN 209 588 35.5% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Cassell LAC 256 739 34.6% McGrady HOU 358 1057 33.9% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Miller PHI 312 949 32.9% Iverson PHI 109 333 32.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Watson SEA 373 1144 32.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Billups DET 413 1278 32.3% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Felton CHA 452 1419 31.9% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Williams NJN 198 629 31.5% Oh my god whos name pops up there amongst nothing but POINTGAURDS is that Tracy McGrady? You tell me man, you can read cant you? If you can then explain how a non pg could make the list? Heres a hint, because he RUNS THE OFFENSE. The only guys who arent primary pointgaurds DONT PLAY THE 3, so by default are known as combo gaurds. Tmac qualifies as a POINT FORWARDTry watching some of Tmacs games and youll realize what it meens and maybe youll stop comparing his set-up abilities to that of Maggette'sTry watching some of Tmacs games and youll realize what it meens and maybe youll stop comparing his set-up abilities to that of Maggette's</div>
by the way kid take that t-mac sig off.you don't even know what position he plays:HAHAHA:all of you guys are off-topic due to my pure ownage.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, name a factname a fact thats true.all your arguments and facts have been wrong.good for you.explain how I got owned.nobody has named any decent facts except for me.you haven't named me sh*t.</div>Instead of me naming facts...which I have and proved them. Why don't you name a fact AND prove 'em...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"this is why I don't post around here.people like you and nitro need some knowledge."</div>kobetmacyao01, I wanna challenge you to a real debate...something other than this sh*t. Because all you have shown to everybody is that you can talk about pointforwards and your points are barely backed up and the argument is just poor...
