<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dsounG @ Jul 14 2007, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Instead of me naming facts...which I have and proved them. Why don't you name a fact AND prove 'em...</div>ok.. kid for the 10th timethe main thing you guys aren't distinguishing very well is that, there's a difference between running the offense with a player and running the offense through a player. You're right though, the Rockets run their offense through McGrady, but he doesn't necessarily run the offense. Kind of like the Celtics ran their offense through Bird, but Johnson, Ainge, Archibald, and a few other guys ran the offense.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 14 2007, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>kobetmacyao01, I wanna challenge you to a real debate...something other than this sh*t. Because all you have shown to everybody is that you can talk about pointforwards and your points are barely backed up and the argument is just poor...</div>they are the best ones so far.So far I've proved T-Mac isn't one.you can debate me with anything I don't promise I'll win in all of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>you can debate me with anything I don't promise I'll win in all of them.</div>Then stop acting as if you're the smartest one on here and sh*t telling everybody that they're stupid and that you're right.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jul 14 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Cavaliers run their offense thorugh LeBron yet you've said he was a point forward before...</div>No, LeBron runs the offense and through the offense is the primary ball-handler.T-Mac is just run through thats it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they are the best ones so far.So far I've proved T-Mac isn't one.</div>No you have not, you've posted the same paragraph 20+ times and despite it being proved incorrect you continue to post it. You haven't posted a single fact, show me proof that T-mac isn't a point forward and don't just post the same paragraph about the offense being run through T-mac rather than by T-mac because he's very capable of doing both.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, LeBron runs the offense and through the offense is the primary ball-handler.T-Mac is just run through thats it.</div>Show me some facts then that the Cavs don't run their offense through LeBron...Why don't you show us some proof that T-Mac isn't the primary ball handler...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok.. kid for the 10th timethe main thing you guys aren't distinguishing very well is that, there's a difference between running the offense with a player and running the offense through a player. You're right though, the Rockets run their offense through McGrady, but he doesn't necessarily run the offense. Kind of like the Celtics ran their offense through Bird, but Johnson, Ainge, Archibald, and a few other guys ran the offense.they are the best ones so far.So far I've proved T-Mac isn't one.you can debate me with anything I don't promise I'll win in all of them.</div>Buddy you haven't proved sh*t! So saying they do run him through the offense but he doesn't necessarily run him the offense is proving that he isn't a point forward? So you're saying they run the offense THROUGH him but Luther Head and Rafer run the offense? I already gave you videos to prove that wrong. Alston ONLY runs it when TMac is off the floor. And you know who TMac's sub is? Luther. And there minutes are kind of limited when Alston-Head-Battier-Hayes and Yao are on the floor so that doesn't give them the majority of saying they run the offense when a matter of fact TMac does when he is on the floor. And not to mention Rafer does try to create a lot of shots for himself. Rafer is a shoot-first PG.What you're saying doesn't prove sh*t dude.
for you iversonfan.watch a cavs game I don't have time to show you lebron videos. and for you kid. you need some bball intelligence.I gave you enough proof and evidence he isn't one.I don't need anymore show me an argument that you'll succeed in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>capable but does he no.is he the primary ball-handler no.I'm Sorry for you guys to hear the facts.</div>You know those aren't facts, right...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mobruler @ Jul 14 2007, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>kobetmacyao01, your "I'm right and you're stupid" approach is beyond obnoxious.</div>sorry, I'm really pissed at some of these people. especially that kid.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 14 2007, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You know those aren't facts, right...</div>yeah and your not even a rocket fan I am.I'd rather believe the rocket fan. the facts are clearly right.
by the way T-Mac doesn't even have that good of ball-handles.he has shooting guard handles.Kobe has point guard handles if you guys think that t-mac has it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>for you iversonfan.watch a cavs game I don't have time to show you lebron videos. and for you kid. you need some bball intelligence.I gave you enough proof and evidence he isn't one.I don't need anymore show me an argument that you'll succeed in.</div>I watch the Cavs play. LeBron does run their offense, but that doesn't mean they don't also run the offense through him. Also if LeBron runs the Cavs offense and T-Mac doesn't run the Rokcets explain why T-Mac has a higher Assists per 40 minutes avg and a better A/TO ratio.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobetmacyao01 @ Jul 14 2007, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>for you iversonfan.watch a cavs game I don't have time to show you lebron videos. and for you kid. you need some bball intelligence.I gave you enough proof and evidence he isn't one.I don't need anymore show me an argument that you'll succeed in.</div>Yeah, Posting the same paragraph many times really proves something. :no3:
wow, dude I'm really tired of this.assists mean playmaking abilities. That just shows T-Mac is a better playmaker.honestly, all of you guys are stubborn seeing the fact you can't handle that T-Mac is not a point forward.
Yeah dude you don't seem to understand what a fact is. All that paragraph says is that you don't think T-Mac runs the Rockets offense. That's called an opinion. Your not giving any actual facts to support that opinion.
fact = something truesomething dounG hasn't said yet.clearly I won and unlike some of you I have a life.I'm not gonna sit on my computer and argue about something that I am right about.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chronz @ Jul 11 2007, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tracy is a POINTFORWARD because he handled the primary set up roles and he did it better than Rafer.Rafer COULD be a a good PG if he could be any kind of a threat offensively but you cant blame JVG for Rafer sucking. Rafer has had 1, count them 1 good season in a career that spans 8 years. He isnt a bad distributer and if you saw any of the Rocket games without him the offense really struggled to get going. But IMO Rafer is more suited for a back-up role or atleast a 25-28 minutes a night not a full fledge starter.LET ME JUST COPY AND PASTE OUR ARGUMENTOh what a great way to make it sound like you know what your talking about. Maggette LOL just find a new board to spam man, M2 doesn't need any lames. How are they even similar? Maggette never runs an offense because he isnt suited for that role a horrible passer mentioning him just about killed any argument you thought you had, the Mavs run the most simple iso-offense that no one on their team should be considered a PG much less Josh Howard. Paul Pierce does it from time to time but he isnt very effective at it.Lets just look at the comparisons you used:-----------+ Ast/40 + Ast/Ratio + T.o.Ratio + Maggette + - 3.6 -+--- 13.9 ---+- 13.4Howard --+ - 2.1 -+---- 8.7 ---+- 8.5Pierce ---+ - 4.5 -+--- 13.9 ---+- 13.4Tracy ----+ - 7.2 -+--- 19.4 ---+- 9.0Lebron ---+ - 5.9 -+--- 17.7 ---+- 9.4How do you get off comparing ANY of those guys to Tracy? None are as efficient of a set up man than Tmac, NONE combine high Assist rates/ratios with low turnover ratios. The only guy in Tmacs league among star scorers is Lebron and thats because hes a great passer though hes had better years, Lebrons game is slowly drifting away from that of a set-up man.If thats not enough then lets look at the league leaders in team assist %layer Team Ast T'Mate FGM Ast'd <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Nash PHO 693 1481 46.8% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Rodriguez POR 165 361 45.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Ford TOR 470 1075 43.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Williams UTA 593 1472 40.3% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Paul NOK 431 1072 40.2% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Kidd NJN 593 1477 40.1% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Calderon TOR 317 796 39.8% Wade MIA 362 937 38.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Tinsley IND 419 1114 37.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Knight CHA 191 523 36.5% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Davis GSW 402 1109 36.2% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Miller DEN 209 588 35.5% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Cassell LAC 256 739 34.6% McGrady HOU 358 1057 33.9% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Miller PHI 312 949 32.9% Iverson PHI 109 333 32.7% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Watson SEA 373 1144 32.6% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Billups DET 413 1278 32.3% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Felton CHA 452 1419 31.9% <span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">PG</span> Williams NJN 198 629 31.5% Oh my god whos name pops up there amongst nothing but POINTGAURDS is that Tracy McGrady? You tell me man, you can read cant you? If you can then explain how a non pg could make the list? Heres a hint, because he RUNS THE OFFENSE. The only guys who arent primary pointgaurds DONT PLAY THE 3, so by default are known as combo gaurds. Tmac qualifies as a POINT FORWARDTry watching some of Tmacs games and youll realize what it meens and maybe youll stop comparing his set-up abilities to that of Maggette'sTry watching some of Tmacs games and youll realize what it meens and maybe youll stop comparing his set-up abilities to that of Maggette's</div>Are you saying these facts are not true also. Why don't you dbeate this post. Oh yeah, you can't. Quit trying to get around this post.
