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julius said:
Hilarious that you think this is about socialist kids. That speaks volumes about your understanding of the entire BLM movement.
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Members of African American Council are BOOED as they tell protesters in Seattle's 'autonomous zone' that they've 'hijacked' the Black Lives Matter movement by pushing other causes like higher taxes for Amazon
  • The women from the African American Community Advisory Council went to the zone to plead with protesters to work with the police department
  • Earlier this week, they overran the East Precinct and defaced it
  • Since then, armed guards have stood at checkpoints in the zone, known as CHAZ
  • Many of the protesters are white; people inside say it's more like a street-party with movie nights and free vegan pizza
Two black female members of Seattle's African American Community Advisory Council were booed on Thursday as they told protesters inside the city's 'autonomous zone' that they have hijacked the Black Lives Matter movement.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...says-Black-Lives-Matter-message-hijacked.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Members of African American Council are BOOED as they tell protesters in Seattle's 'autonomous zone' that they've 'hijacked' the Black Lives Matter movement by pushing other causes like higher taxes for Amazon
  • The women from the African American Community Advisory Council went to the zone to plead with protesters to work with the police department
  • Earlier this week, they overran the East Precinct and defaced it
  • Since then, armed guards have stood at checkpoints in the zone, known as CHAZ
  • Many of the protesters are white; people inside say it's more like a street-party with movie nights and free vegan pizza
Two black female members of Seattle's African American Community Advisory Council were booed on Thursday as they told protesters inside the city's 'autonomous zone' that they have hijacked the Black Lives Matter movement.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...says-Black-Lives-Matter-message-hijacked.html
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I will delete my post and offer an apology to ABM.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Members of African American Council are BOOED as they tell protesters in Seattle's 'autonomous zone' that they've 'hijacked' the Black Lives Matter movement by pushing other causes like higher taxes for Amazon
  • The women from the African American Community Advisory Council went to the zone to plead with protesters to work with the police department
  • Earlier this week, they overran the East Precinct and defaced it
  • Since then, armed guards have stood at checkpoints in the zone, known as CHAZ
  • Many of the protesters are white; people inside say it's more like a street-party with movie nights and free vegan pizza
Two black female members of Seattle's African American Community Advisory Council were booed on Thursday as they told protesters inside the city's 'autonomous zone' that they have hijacked the Black Lives Matter movement.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...says-Black-Lives-Matter-message-hijacked.html
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That certainly is possible and they should listen to the AA councils concerns. I dont agree with the Victim power play in giving $10 to prove loyalty.
That isn’t needed imo. All that is needed is equal rights and respect for those that have been oppressed.
 
I honestly don't remember what I posted. But I do know for a fact that it couldn't be any worse than the hate spewed around this place on the daily.
 
ABM said:
What's going on in Seattle is pathetic and flat-out wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-police-chief-leaving-precinct

Seattle police chief: 'Leaving the precinct was not my decision'
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fuck fox news for their lies and propaganda...that article is bullshit and fox has been forced to take down several pictures

"For the most part, local officials seem content to simply wait, so long as the area stays peaceful.

But peaceful is not what Fox News or OAN viewers are seeing, what visitors to right-wing blogs are reading, or what listeners to the vast array of right-wing radio stations are hearing. On those sources, the zone is not a small area where people are distributing free pizza and constructing a somewhat pitiful community garden—it’s a hotbed of violence where buildings are burning and people are dying.


To support that position, Fox News hasn’t just been making up stories—it’s been manufacturing images and video. As the Seattle Times reports, Fox has “digitally altered” images to make the situation in the area seem dire. That includes putting together elements from multiple images to create a misleading collage, lifting signs and symbols from one area to impose them on another, and it means that many of the images Fox is using to present the image of chaos in Seattle … aren’t even from Seattle.


Images that appear to show masked and armed men inside the zone are in fact composites taken on different dates and in different places. Burning buildings are actually from shots taken in St. Paul during the first days of the protests there. Some of the pictures Fox has merged together in their “coverage” of the current Seattle are actually two weeks old—or elements from two-week old pictures have been inserted into current scenes to make the situation appear worse than it is.


Fox has also continued to report, and other sources have repeated, claims that businesses inside the zone are being extorted for protection payments, even after the police chief in Seattle investigated these claims and found nothing to them."

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...attles-protests-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...t-stand-the-fact-that-Seattle-is-not-in-chaos

it's pathetic that fox news is doing this, though completely expected. It's doubly pathetic that anybody would believe their bullshit and spread it around
 
@Further, I appreciated your post. I want to work productively in here, I really do. It pains me to see what our country is going through. Many in here blame Trump 100%. OK, we know that's not true, as even Obama has had his share of moments (see: Ferguson), and many other presidents, as well. That's certainly not to say that Trump is helping the matter, either. We need HEALING..and we need somebody to rise above the fray, take this country by the hand and LEAD us towards reconciliation....peacefully and peaceably! But whom? I don't care if it's someone from the ranks. I mean Martin Luther King was able to do SO much (God rest his soul) and before he even turned 40!!

I'll tell you this: While I was (am) in favor of Trump so-called draining the swamp in Washington D.C., what I'm NOT in favor of is the incredible political divisiveness I've seen growing and growing in this country. It seems everything critical issue we face is left perspective vs right perspective. That just shouldn't be so! Granted, Trump got hit on hard by the Dems...even before day one in office, so I can empathize some. However, the sandbox mentality (and ensuing us vs. them battles) that has resulted has been very troubling, to say the least. At this point, I don't know how I'm going to vote. I really don't. I was half joking when I said my wife and I were packing up and moving to the Azores, but it certainly has been tempting! Nah, I'm an American thru and thru, so those are fleeting moments. At any rate, as stated above, our nation needs healing like never before! Please, someone...step up and give us some hope!

Hey, how about THIS guy! :cheers:




PS: I'll be watching this flick this evening...

 
ABM said:
You should jump in there. You'd be a natural.
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You misunderstand, he made a simple statement of fact which has nothing to do with his feelings on the subject.
 
ABM said:
If I owned one of those buildings for sure I would be suing the Governor, the Mayor, and the police for dereliction of duty. They have an obligation to protect the rights and property of the tax payers who own that. A bunch of upset socialist kids don't get to overturn the law and constitution. It is gross and flat-out wrong.
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Normally I would agree with you but the exception would be if it prevents a far worse problem.
 
@ABM
Trump is almost irrelevant to this topic. Sure, he continues to to decide and put up road blocks but the issue has been around long before him and will persist long after.

“HEALING”, is not what we need. Healing is what is needed when the threat of further injury is gone. We need action. We need to fix the problem. We need to change laws that make deadly violence by police too easy. Get away with chokeholds, make police responsible for their actions legally, make police departments and cities responsible for their police, require body cameras which cannot be turned off. We need to force accountability.

MLK and all the past leaders were who we needed. They were amazing and helped usher in civil rights changes unparalleled and fantastic leaps forward. But that was 50 years ago. 50 years of bias entrenchment, 50 years of minorities still not being treated equally. It’s time to dismantle the power structures and rebuild them with forethought to remove systemic racism from our foundation. Build anew.

You and I are in agreement that this is not Trumps fault. I think he adds to the problem but the problem was so large and looming that any of Trumps antics simply add fodder and shine a light on what problems already existed. For example, Trump didn’t militarize the Police, that began long ago. Trump is only highlighting those militaristic capabilities through his tough- on-left rhetoric.




But back to the main problem of systemic racis, let me try a clumsy football analogy:
When the US began and slavery was king, two opponents took the field, Systemic Racists(SR) on one side and the Free Equalitists (FE) on the other. The rule book then said that every down was played on the 1 yard line at the FE’s goal. Every day,SR would score and the running tally of SR victories rose. Advertisers want to spend on the winners so SR got paid much more and had better equipment protecting them. Years go by and the abolitionists start supporting FE. They help rewrite the rule book so now all downs are on the FE’s 20 yard line. But the games keep getting played and SR keeps racking up the wins. Now SR has a history of victories, most of the advertisers, most of the money and then comes Civil Rights.

Civil Rights Movement occurs and MLK, Malcom X, Rosa Parks, Medgar Evers and all the other civil rights leaders help get the rule book rewritten again. Separate but equal is struck down and desegregation continues.

But, even if the rule book might be written more fair, the lions share of add buys are for SR, the big-ass bank accounts belong SR, the refs were all put through school on SR dime and all the field camera angles are designed to make FE look bad and SR look good. The score by now is 400 victories by SR, maybe a couple by FE.

It’s no longer enough to just rewrite the rule book because everything is so heavily lopsided towards SR. The franchise’s need to be taken apart, piece by piece and then, mixing up all the players, changing the team owners, setting the bank accounts of both sides back to level ground. Then, perhaps, a more fair football league could be built.


Sorry, this was a clumsy attempt but I spent too long typing it to not post.
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
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And if you don't do it you're the following.
~Nazi
~Racist
~Have zero empathy
~Have endless amounts of white guilt.

Pander to black people/minorities. Give them your money. Sell your homes and give them 80% of the selling price.
Clearly this is the only way to show you're not a racist.

Due to massive bitching about a typo on my phone I'm editing my typo.,.
You people can all go find something else to virtue signal about okay?
You people is referring to the white people on this forum. Not black people nor other minorities. Jesus christ...


Maybe you can do this? full of cultual appropriation and pandering.
Democrats-Knee-e1591645847861.jpg
 
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H.C. said:
And if you don't do it you're the following.
~Nazi
~Racist
~Have zero empathy
~Have endless amounts of white guilt.

Pander to the black. Give them your money. Sell your homes and give them 80% of the selling price.
Clearly this is the only way to show you're not a racist.
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Pander to “the black”. Got it.



show me evidence that people are forced. From what I’ve seen it’s symbolic gesture. White supporters asked to give $10 as part of the demonstration that they are aware of the imbalances which exist. A display to promote unity towards fixing the problems which persist.
 
H.C. said:
And if you don't do it you're the following.
~Nazi
~Racist
~Have zero empathy
~Have endless amounts of white guilt.

Pander to the black. Give them your money. Sell your homes and give them 80% of the selling price.
Clearly this is the only way to show you're not a racist.
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Did you just type "the black"?
 
Further said:
Pander to “the black”. Got it.



show me evidence that people are forced. From what I’ve seen it’s symbolic gesture. White supporters asked to give $10 as part of the demonstration that they are aware of the imbalances which exist. A display to promote unity towards fixing the problems which persist.
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The tweet specifically says the whites must be willing to surrender their capitol & property to show their loyalty to the cause. Otherwise they're racist, nazis, who support killing of black people by police. As well as the racial inequalities.
Black people are not charity cases.
10$ is just the start.
 
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Further said:
Pander to “the black”. Got it.



show me evidence that people are forced. From what I’ve seen it’s symbolic gesture. White supporters asked to give $10 as part of the demonstration that they are aware of the imbalances which exist. A display to promote unity towards fixing the problems which persist.
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To me that exactly what the oppressed doesn't want, more assistance so the givers can strut around and say they helped and feel all great about it.
Then oppressed need equal rights, strong families, good jobs that pay well, education. I don't think they want help form others just freedom too prosper and excel.
I heard a stat the other day and I about fell out of my chair, that 70% of African Americans babies are born without a dad in the house. Thats tragic but can be fixed and its been that way far to long. Families are important and it can be any kind of family.
 
Further said:
@ABM
Trump is almost irrelevant to this topic. Sure, he continues to to decide and put up road blocks but the issue has been around long before him and will persist long after.

“HEALING”, is not what we need. Healing is what is needed when the threat of further injury is gone. We need action. We need to fix the problem. We need to change laws that make deadly violence by police too easy. Get away with chokeholds, make police responsible for their actions legally, make police departments and cities responsible for their police, require body cameras which cannot be turned off. We need to force accountability.

MLK and all the past leaders were who we needed. They were amazing and helped usher in civil rights changes unparalleled and fantastic leaps forward. But that was 50 years ago. 50 years of bias entrenchment, 50 years of minorities still not being treated equally. It’s time to dismantle the power structures and rebuild them with forethought to remove systemic racism from our foundation. Build anew.

You and I are in agreement that this is not Trumps fault. I think he adds to the problem but the problem was so large and looming that any of Trumps antics simply add fodder and shine a light on what problems already existed. For example, Trump didn’t militarize the Police, that began long ago. Trump is only highlighting those militaristic capabilities through his tough- on-left rhetoric.




But back to the main problem of systemic racis, let me try a clumsy football analogy:
When the US began and slavery was king, two opponents took the field, Systemic Racists(SR) on one side and the Free Equalitists (FE) on the other. The rule book then said that every down was played on the 1 yard line at the FE’s goal. Every day,SR would score and the running tally of SR victories rose. Advertisers want to spend on the winners so SR got paid much more and had better equipment protecting them. Years go by and the abolitionists start supporting FE. They help rewrite the rule book so now all downs are on the FE’s 20 yard line. But the games keep getting played and SR keeps racking up the wins. Now SR has a history of victories, most of the advertisers, most of the money and then comes Civil Rights.

Civil Rights Movement occurs and MLK, Malcom X, Rosa Parks, Medgar Evers and all the other civil rights leaders help get the rule book rewritten again. Separate but equal is struck down and desegregation continues.

But, even if the rule book might be written more fair, the lions share of add buys are for SR, the big-ass bank accounts belong SR, the refs were all put through school on SR dime and all the field camera angles are designed to make FE look bad and SR look good. The score by now is 400 victories by SR, maybe a couple by FE.

It’s no longer enough to just rewrite the rule book because everything is so heavily lopsided towards SR. The franchise’s need to be taken apart, piece by piece and then, mixing up all the players, changing the team owners, setting the bank accounts of both sides back to level ground. Then, perhaps, a more fair football league could be built.


Sorry, this was a clumsy attempt but I spent too long typing it to not post.
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I really do appreciate this, BTW, have you seen 13th? It really is worth a watch. I couldn't believe what I was seeing TOTAL eye-opener!
 
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