OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Do ypou forget history often? WHO said don't wear a mask. Then said do. Not its mixed reports about masks helping.

Look it up if you are unaware of them.

So Ill push your question back at you. where did you get yours to know that one report is accurate and another is not?

 

It's not practiced in Oregon the majority of places I've seen......I see elderly wearing them and young folks not wearing them in a general sense....I'm going to find a new gas station since my old favorite seems to not require their staff to wear masks

 

Not to get this off in a weird place, but I've spent the last month or so listening to a lot of different "voices", right, left, moderates, all over and it's really, really interesting to me how they all basically say the same things about the other "side". They all have their little bits of "facts" and statistics. They all have their own logic, and logical fallacies too. I've listened to it, and read it and researched it. It seems like many Democrats, think well "republicans are fascists, racists, they're encouraging civil-war, they aren't loyal to America, etc., etc., etc." Then I go to another site or channel and I hear a group of republicans basically saying, "Democrats are...", and it's exactly the same stuff that the last page just told me that republicans all are. It's dizzying.

It's crazy how splintered people are, and how much there seems to be an active push to wedge it further apart. My own confirmation bias kinda says well really everyone has crap that stinks and there is hypocrisy and garbage that comes out of both parties, but it's an interesting political climate we find ourselves in.

 

You nailed it right there. and it isn't gonna change. So its moot.

Makes everything else irrelevant.

 

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Trump pulled funding from WHO ...remember that history? Citing double standards here is easy concerning our virus response....we've done one of the worst jobs on earth dealing with precautions....history will frown upon our lack of responsibility in face of the pandemic...that is a fact. reports don't do shit for the masses who don't read them

 

The same WHO who said Coronavirus doesn't transmit person to person and masks were useless?

 

yeah...that one....by the same guy that said some will get sniffles and it will be gone by April...and tell journalist to take off their masks and bask in his stupidity...the same guy who said it was fake news...who contradicted the countries leading pandemic expert for a bump in the stockmarket...the same guy who said we were better than the world at dealing with a pandemic...the same guy who closed down our checks and balances division in Beijing to save money and say fuck you Obama.....

 

Timelines man.

Context matters. He THREATENED to pull funding on may 18th. WHO reports were back and forth before then. Maybe a reason to pull funding????


https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/18/politics/trump-world-health-organization-coronavirus/index.html

That is a fact. The reports were out before funds were pulled and the reports were conflicting.

FACT.....

 

Anjd you know this how?


Positives are spiking again, but the death rate is not, based on the grid I posted, So how are you backing your rebuttal?

 

read my previous post

 

Have you read the reports that infected people can be permanently disabled even if they survive this? And that even Rudy Gobert has not recovered 3 months after being diagnosed? It's too early to call this thing as going away...if we don't act on it, we're fucked.....I think your arguing for the sake of argument OB....there's nothing positive so far until we have an anti dote available

 

I've seen similar thoughts expressed here and on Facebook. There are multiple problems with the logic of the argument that you're just delaying the inevitable. Delaying the inevitable is an excellent strategy in reducing overall deaths from the virus for several reasons:

1. It spreads cases out so that hospital beds, particularly ICUs, and medical equipment/personnel don't get overwhelmed. Herd immunity takes about 70% of the populace getting infected, so that's about 230 million people in the United States alone. A small percentage require hospitalization, I haven't been able to find an exact figure, but even 1% would equate to 2.3 million people needing to be hospitalized. Spreading that out over months instead of weeks means a lot fewer people die.
2. It allows time to develop vaccines, antibody treatments, etc. to reduce the number of people who die from infections. If an effective vaccine can be found, herd immunity can be achieved through that rather than having people get sick.
3. While most people get well, beyond those who die, the disease is proving to have long term impacts on health for a small percentage of the population. Some of these impacts may ruin lives for good.
4. We don't know if/how long recovery from an infection gives you immunity. In a worst case scenario, there may be no such thing as herd immunity for COVID-19 if there isn't a fairly long-term immunity.

 

This is absolutely true.

It is also true that more people have been infected than initially realized (and so many people are asymptomatic, and/or were not treated because their symptoms were mild and/or similar to the flu). Thus, add a much higher infection rate (aka a much bigger denominator) and the death rate is considerably lower than first reports.

But, we are certainly going to see an increase in deaths with such a growth in the spread of the virus.

 

Exactly. Numbers of infections just began spiking in the past couple of weeks. Symptoms can take a while to get bad enough to force hospitalization and, once admitted, it can be a few days to several weeks before a patient with severe disease dies from it.

 

Sorry. See my post below your question mark. I had a key get stuck on my keyboard and my message got posted before I was ready.