OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Don't think anyone has said that, JB...but you cannot deny that Trump has exacerbated our current situation.

 

Yup, lung damage is also a consideration...plus, while the youngsters are more likely to survive if they are diagnosed with the virus, they are therefore also likely to spread the virus to their parents and grandparents who are not as likely to survive.

 

I think some of this is "fair", but some kinda isn't. Fair may not be the right word, but many countries even in the EU were late to react, not every country in the EU has a mask mandate (I think we're at about 50 countries WW at this point). I'm not really sure if they were quicker to detect it or not, that's probably hit and miss, the EU, and the US are very large geographically and population-wise, some countries and states inside the borders did better jobs than others. I think those "stimulus" bills a bunch of people had their hands in that it wasn't just Trump, they used that to fund pet projects. If you want to count "leadership" as a whole, yes I think that plays into it some, but in 25 years or so I think it'll be fascinating to see what "history" has to say about all this and what numbers come out as data has time to be played out.

Edit: Which is kinda my point every country has handled this in different ways, and in "large" countries or continents within the borders different areas have handled it quite differently too. So it could just be compound interest of "leadership" or lack thereof, but I think you and I could both admit, that may not be verifiable through data and may just be confirmation bias speaking.

Just thinking when I look at the "world" numbers, I constantly think something about the US's numbers seems drastically off from the rest of the world, and IMO it seems like many other countries some small, some big, had similar issues as the US did, which is why I don't think it's 100% leadership since it's not like we're unique in having bad leaders, go to just about any place in the world and you'll find people who think their leadership sucks...

 

I see what you are saying, but still, as a whole, the EU and the US are comparable in geographical size, both are mostly technologically advanced and despite the fact that the EU has more than twice as many citizens and has about the same (overall) testing per capita as the US - their cases are lower than the US - so overall, it is pretty clear that two entities with strong, rich economies and a lot of movement for business and pleasure purposes have very different results in their containment. It is pretty certain to me where the issue is - in one of them, there was a clear, quick, coherent response, in the other, there was not.

 

Is Europe as a whole testing as many per day as the US? I honestly have no idea what the answer to that question is, I'm just asking.

 

They are having a potluck with strangers in the resurgence of a pandemic.

 

Seems like it from what I read. About the same per capita (brought down by countries like Russia that has lower per capita testing while countries like Germany has higher). (These are all back of the envelope calculations I made from some of the bigger countries in Europe, I did not find a convenient whole of Europe source).

 

Haha, my bad I misread your response you said per capita it was similar in your last post.

 

Nice picture...as far as I can tell, every single one of them is wearing a mask.

 

Are mass gatherings ok if you wear a mask?

What about a potluck with strangers?

 

I don't even know what you're trying to say here, but I'm going to guess that the mocking of Trump just went over your head. It's hard to get jokes when you're just doing your twice-weekly pop-in-to-yell-angrily act.

 

Didn't say that that, did I?...are you at a greater or lesser risk of spreading/acquiring the virus with a mask?

Insert your latest spin here;_____________________________________.

 

That was never okay, tbh.

 

You seem to tolerate this mass gathering of strangers because they are wearing masks.

 

barfo trots out the old "American exceptionalism" argument. What a nationalist.

 

You were a young (probably white) man when I met you. This war has gone on too long. I guess I'm old too, by now.