Yay! BLM and Basketball

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  1. Minstrel

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    No, I'm telling you that your bizarre belief that white people are being persecuted in this society doesn't reflect reality nor does it even have a passing acquaintance with reality.

    The unfortunate truth is that many white people have felt "persecuted" going back to even the Reconstruction era of this nation. Conservatives of that time assured poor white people that at least they enjoyed higher status than the "negroes" and any attempts by black people to better their situation were met with outright hostility by a large number of white people, who felt their status and place in "their nation" was under assault. Look up the Tulsa massacre of "Black Wall Street" for a particularly terrible example.

    So your rhetoric is nothing new, it doesn't reflect some "growing racism against white people"--it's a continuation of a very specific type of hostility that (some) white people have had for black (and often other minority) people in this nation pretty much since the end of slavery. Any demand for racial equality by black and minority citizens has been met with a large white backlash alleging "anti-white sentiment."
     
  2. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    You just described Fox News.
     
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    Ding!Ding!Ding!!!...we have a winner

    and that answer fits perfectly just about everywhere in the right-wing sphere
     
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    When you take privilege for granted, equality looks like oppression.
     
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    Binx Well-Known Member

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    I’m afraid your “civil rights” crusade is just as racist as you think your enemy is. You are demonizing white people in your rush to embrace a cause that you think is more important than anything.
     
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    The Portland Trailblazers organization across the board from players, coaches and staff have come out strong in favor and support of BLM....if you are against BLM you're against the Portland Trailblazers organization...and calling them bad names for supporting their civil rights beliefs...I'm with the Blazers...100% support BLM and you have a problem with that you can take it up with the team...start with the players...tell them how racist and ignorant they are because you're white...right...crickets
     
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    I’m supposed to be impressed because the owners and managers of teams in a league that is 95% black are coming out in support of Black Lives Matter? What world are you living in, riverman? It would be political suicide for any coach, GM, owner, trainer, video technician or towel boy to say a single negative word about BLM. They would never work in the NBA again. The entire NBA and the NFL are caving to the players right now because they are scared to death of losing their revenue or their jobs. The fact that you think the Blazers are taking this path for moral and ethical reasons is laughable.

    If I’m against BLM I’m against the Trail Blazers?? What kind of logic is that?
     
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    I don't demonize anybody....I'm hand in hand with a majority of white people in my support of BLM....I don't rush anywhere...I also don't tolerate racist white people calling civil rights protesters demeaning names and trashing their cause for my own privielged agenda....I'm pragmatic..I'm also on the side of civil rights protesting racial profiling..and don't give a shit what you think of my value system or how I express my humanitarian views....I find ignorance rampant in your posts...I will protest it everytime...deal with it...the civil rights crusade isn't mine...it's everyone's that wishes to integrate the world and recognize injustice...we are faced with grave injustice and you just want to feel sorry for yourself.....shallow...and you absolutely would not say what you're saying face to face with any black person or minority...admit it
     
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    yes...you are not showing support to the cause they've come out in support of...so all the negative things you've said about BLM here...relates to them. I'm old as dirt and probably have seen more of life than you'll ever see bucko....you can protest their support of the BLM movement by contacting their front office at the website...you can express these views you have to all the members through twitter or their social media....I'm guessing you would rather lob stones from the shadows...walk the walk
     
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    Not only that you are saying it's fine for Black people to be entertainers, even make a lot of money as entertainers, equal citizens, however, is another matter.
     
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  12. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Some of us support the philosophy/sentiment behind Black Lives Matter. The organization behind it is pretty irrelevant to me. You don’t like being called “anti Blazers” because you don’t support BLM. So don’t imply we are “anti white” because we don’t support white supremacy attitudes and behaviors.
     
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    I cut this from an article in The Atlantic on James Baldwin. Boy howdy does this sum up some of the more recalcitrant stance by some of the white guys on this board......

    I have always been struck, in America, by an emotional poverty so bottomless, and a terror of human life, of human touch, so deep, that virtually no American appears able to achieve any viable, organic connection between his public stance and his private life. …

    This failure of the private life has always had the most devastating effect on American public conduct, and on black-white relations. If Americans were not so terrified of their private selves, they would never have become so dependent on what they call “the Negro problem.”

    Baldwin’s words are forceful and radical; he punctures the fantasy of white innocence and an infantile attitude toward reality. He understood that there is extraordinary capacity for denial in this country, even when confronted with evidence and logic. His was a deep knowledge of the white psyche, which he thought was marred with immaturity.
     
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    We had a peaceful BLM in my suburb community with 2000 marchers and there were zero anarchist in the group to piggy back and h9i jack the event. In front of the courthouse with speakers all very courteous.
    If more marches were this way and they purged the trouble makers/thieves/anarchist from their movement it would make a diffrence.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    BLM is made up of individuals and all these individuals may support all sorts of things. The unifying message that binds everyone in BLM is racial equality, that black rights and lives deserve to be protected. That's what BLM, the cause, stands for. What an individual, even a co-founder believes, is a separate issue which you can agree or disagree with.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Someone else posted this earlier, but if you want a very well expressed perspective on black experience in this nation and why BLM matters, this is a good start:

     
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    The BLM movement went global...and became even a broader landscape than just black americans….in Taiwan they protested against the treatment of 18 aboriginal tribes that are there....in England they exposed a white supremacist cult formed in the 1970s by ex soldiers of fortune and royal marines...this movement went global....it's much bigger than our national issues...it's worldwide...the whole world stood up and demanded to be heard over it....gave me a lot of pride in humanity. I now believe people have taken on the issue themselves because the govt has failed them repeatedly and our govt has given a very loud voice to racists....I believe we should look at reparations for any ancestor of slaves and give them their share of the pie. There are many ways we could do this...I hope we start fixing our country and the world now.
     
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    We said and believed these things back in the 60s. Can we get closer to the finish line?
     
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    They killed John, Bobby, Martin, Fred, Malcolm and many of the leaders of that movement....and when cocaine and disco showed up, the hippies went dancing.....didn't follow through at all..sex drugs and rock and roll became much more important than civil rights sadly...our generation dropped the ball in my view
     
  20. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

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    Yeah, this has been on my mind of late also. It seemed like we were on the cusp of real change back then, but in 2020 it’s still “same shit, different day”. But then “they” (an actual deep state) killed virtually all the leaders and the movement petered out for all the reasons you cited. Since WWII Americans seem to have acquired a case of group ADHD. Hopefully the current state of affairs will hold our collective attention long enough to effect real....and permanent....change.
     
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