Please give this a listen. @ABM and enjoyed it. This explains the good and bad about defunding the police from a city that was the first to do it. Very informative. It's from the people who actually did it. https://play.google.com/music/liste...jStMI8qcHFl78#/ps/Ib6qd4lcx7srqz7u5qsigzsgpge In this special episode of Stay Tuned, “The Camden Policing Model,” former New Jersey Attorney General and CAFE Insider co-host Anne Milgram interviews former Camden Police Chief Scott Thomson, whose reimagining of law enforcement in Camden has become a national model. Anne and Chief Thomson discuss their extensive collaboration in implementing Camden’s reforms, the challenges of state-level political ecosystems, and the lessons that they take as we work to reimagine policing across the country.
BTW, Preet is a great podcast to listen to. He is the former head of the Southern District of New York. They handle the big federal cases including Epstein, El Chapo, etc. He gives a unique insight to how federal prosecutions work and many of the legal questions the press gets wrong. https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/preetbharara
Im not against defunding the police to an extent. Especially diverting funds to things that help the community move forward. There are examples of unpoliced areas not doing so well and basically just Being ‘ran’ by cartels, and things like that. And abolishing the police completely, like I said if there’s another plan then Im logically ok with that too.
I never said you were or weren't for anything. I'm just providing something that I thought was interesting and directly dealt with what you're talking about.
I moved these posts to their own thread so maybe if a few of you take the time to listen we can have a more accurate discussion.
What Dviss posted yesterday for defunding the police seemed mostly ok. Maybe I read it wrong, but it was like take a lot of these funds put them into other things that will help our communities stronger, and need less policed.
I’m all for The Black Lives movement for addressing Social injustice. And peaceful marches are good and effective. But if their leadership starts pushing Marxism which I understand they endorse, then I separate the two supporting one but not the other.
This is BLM's website. No where do they mention anything Marxist. https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision
Marxism has never existed as a form of govt...facism and socialism have....there is value in some of the teaching of Marx but it's idealistic in that people couldn't actually accept non materialistic, co-opted social structure....Mao wasn't able to do it...Stalin wasn't able to do it either....it's cold war fear when actually it's a book to give some hope to the poorest in face of insurmountable greed...there's things to learn about from the teachings...it's a naturally attracting philosophy for disenfranchised people that doesn't mean they are the enemy....America has a communist party...don't get to hear from them but we have one...this is not a game changer for BLM ….the Black Panthers taught elements of Marxism to their contingency. Let's not go back to McCarthyism..democracy should be inclusive..if you can be a Nazi you can follow the teaching of Marx or Christianity or whatever the hell you want in a free society
these are all my posts in the thread, not one was in response to you? So maybe check your facts old man Simpson?
My bad. I thought that was Dviss who posted. Again, I'm very sorry. No insult was ever meant or intended. I have deleted the offending post.
The co-founder of the BLM organization is on record saying they are trained Marxists. Not judging it, just stating that's what she said.
So what? It's a philosophy not a political organization....we live in a democracy....I don't demand that Religious practitioners give up their beliefs because they are different from mine. You are free to practice any school of thought you want to here...let's not become McCarthyists and it's time for white folks to respect the choices of black folks and allow them to exercise whatever they wish.....the time for commie vs Christian is over
Did I ever imply they couldnt believe what they wanted? No but people are also free to support or not support organizations with ideologies they dont believe in. How many catholic churches have you given money too lately? Probably none because you have the freedom to make decisions and informed decisions. People can support BLM, the movement or the organization if they want too, but there’s nothing wrong with knowing who you’re supporting. I never said they couldnt have whatever ideology they want too.
Then why would you post a black woman's speaking of her beliefs as opposed to her cause? I've seen several posts using this talking point as an anti BLM issue...and it is none of our business...I believe you put this video up to draw attention to her philosophical interests....it leads to commie vs Christian McCarthyism in my view and now is a terrible time to introduce that into the racial profiling protests
I donate to the TsiChi Buddhist foundation but it's not anybody's business either...I'm not a Christian...I also volunteered for many years to distribute food to the elderly
Well you can project and make up whatever motives you want. I literally replied to a post about their beliefs as an organization with what their own founder said. I didnt say or imply any of the stuff you’re coming up with.
I sure didn't ask you what church you donate to....I don't think that's me projecting here but I don't think you're a malicious person or have bad intentions...it's the subject of Marxism that's really hard to discuss in this country because people confuse what it means....if I'm projecting that, I apologize but if I point at any group that is fueling division these days it's fundamentalist evangelicals....BLM is doing something I'm very proud of and I'm here to defend their right to be who they are and exercise their freedoms...if you're with me here, we're not in disagreement at all. It's also fine to disagree.
The point is that BLM isn't a "Marxist organization." They're an organization with stated aims on their website (none of which are Marxism) who have a co-founder who believes in it. Supporting BLM isn't supporting Marxism in any way.
Don't know all the details, but this is one of the finest posts I've read in awhile...good to see some good ole humility for a change...regardless if it is a moderator or not.
