1) Magic Johnson.He was the face of the NBA for many years, he could not only pass which is required of a PG but he could also score and rebound. he battles with Larry Bird are, in my opinion, what made the NBA so great.2)John Stockton.The all-time leader in assists, steals and turnovers. He shot a great percentage for a guard, around 52% for his career. he wasn't known as much of a scorer but he could score if he needed to, and could completely take over games if needed.3)Oscar Robertson.He averaged a triple double for a season, and nearly did it two more times. He was very solid on offense, but by some accounts wasn't the greatest defender.4)Bob CousyThe Hudini of the hardwood, he was the first legandary PG. he was also the first PG to ever win the MVP award and ran the offense for the legandary Celtic teams.5)Isiah Thomas.He's defense is highly underrated, he always did a nice job guarding guys like Magic, Dennis Johnson, Kevin Porter, Terry Porter, Stockton, Tim Hardaway, and many other good to great PG.
You overrated John Stockton on here but I agree with you for the most part but move Stockton down 1 or 2.
nice list, not much to debate here. I spose a case could be made for JKidd but really leave him out /put him in its all the same./Nice one Redneck
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Jul 15 2007, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>nice list, not much to debate here. I spose a case could be made for JKidd but really leave him out /put him in its all the same./Nice one Redneck</div>Yeah I may put Kidd over Thomas. Thomas isn't that deserving.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Strike3 @ Jul 15 2007, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You overrated John Stockton on here but I agree with you for the most part but move Stockton down 1 or 2.</div>Overrate Stockton? Is that even possible? The guy is the NBA's All-Time passing leader, and has the most steals ever. This guy averaged between 8-15 APG in his prime, a prime that lasted for several years and God knows how many consecutive games played. People loved Oscar Robertson for his triple doubles but Stockton's body of work is the definition of the point guard position in its purest form. He set up his teammates and ran the offense like no other (well, as good as Magic) and his defense was excellent. Robertson was a great guard, no doubt; he could score at will and his versatility was amazing, but Stockton is a true point at its finest.
Nice well thought out list redneck. Magic is definitely number 1 and I don't think you overrated anyone on this list. Nice to see Isiah on there too.
I would take Big O over anyone on the list besides magic. I think Cousy was a bit overrated also, I could see payton being better. that being said, I havent watched as much cousy as I have payton but I've seen a good 10-15 games and in a modern nba I dont think he would be much superior to a guy like Steve Nash(who is good but not payton good)
1. Magic Johnson - He could play every position and is what every point guard excels to be. He had great skills at everything and was easily one of the best passers of all-time. He won 5 NBA titles and anchored one of the greatest teams of all-time.2. Oscar Robertson - He averaged a triple double for a full season at one point and has one of the best all-around averages in the history of the NBA. In my opinion he is the most underrated GOAT in the history of the game. He won a title. Like Magic, he did everything at the PG position at the highest level and could play just about every position.3. John Stockton - Quite possibly the greatest passer the game has seen and one of the longest lasting careers the game has seen. I believe he would have won quite a few titles had it not been for Jordan's Bulls dominance in the 1990's. Everybody remembers his shot that sent the Jazz to finals. That's one of the things that makes him one of the best PG of all-time. His instincts and natural abilities made him the all-time leader in assists.4. Bob Cousy - Cousy isn't as high on this list because of how little I have seen of him. He does have a lot of titles though and definitely was the innovator of flashy passing. He brought so much to the game and accomplished so much. You couldn't write a top 5 PG list without Bob Cousy. One of the best passers ever and played his position so well. Red Auerbach always said it doesn't matter how you get the ball there, as long as you do and it goes into the basket.5. Gary Payton - There were plenty of people that could have been at this spot but I chose Gary Payton. It's simple, he did everything well and was a great all-around player. Great defense, great passing, great rebounding, great scoring. He did everything well and has been pretty successful in the finals. Even pushing 40, in the 2006 NBA Finals he had one of those shots you remember. He is more remembered for his time with Seattle though and all the skills he had. He really frustrated Jordan in the 96 finals and showed there how great he was. He's accomplsihed a lot in the game and I'm happy to say he finally got his well deserved ring with Miami in 2006.Honorable mention: Isaiah Thomas. Nobody will forget his clutch performance in the playoffs when he played on a bum ankle. I seriously was considering putting him at #5.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Strike3 @ Jul 15 2007, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah I may put Kidd over Thomas. Thomas isn't that deserving.</div>spoke by someone who obviously didn't see him lead the Pistons past the Celtics to the teams first title vs the Lakers and past the fast rising Jordan led bulls to their 2nd title in a row.Thomas would run circles around Kidd who was a better rebounding guard and that's it.Thomas was not only a good distributor, he could actually shoot the ball well and was one of the most clutch PG's to ever play the game.His will and determination was infuritating to watch as a Celtics Fan.Were it not for Larry Legend's infamous Steal in 87' the Pistons may have won 3 titles. p.s. and I haaate Thomas but I gotta give him his due.top 5 PG of all time without a doubt.p.s. good read on ESPN's voting for best PG's of all timehttp://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?pa...testPointGuards
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Jul 16 2007, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Damn, everybody's underrating Isiah. I'd put him #2 or #3.</div>has to be #3 or 4 IMO.Magic and Oscar are on a different level than the rest.Isiah has the intangibles and leadership. Stockton has the insane numbers in assists and steals and a unbeliveable FG% for someone who took so many jumpers and 3's (51.5%)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SirLaker @ Jul 15 2007, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Magic Johnson2. Oscar Robertson3. Isiah Thomas4. John Stockton5. Bob Cousy/Nate Archibald</div>That is the perfect list.
1. Magic Johnson2. Oscar Robertson3. Isiah Thomas4. John Stockton5. Jason KiddI put Kidd over Cousy because he is/was a better playmaker than Cousy ever was (Cousy never averaged more than 9.5APG, which is pretty amazing considering the team averaged 115-120 points per game), better rebounder, and while Cousy always scored more, he shot over 39% only once in his career (and never above 40%). Russell also won 5 rings after Cousy originally retired, so his titles don't mean as much to me as Kidd getting mediocre teams to the Finals.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Jul 16 2007, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>STEVE NASH????????? TWO MVPS??????????1) Magic2) Stockton3) Robertson4) Nash5) Thomas</div>Nash's Assist Numbers are not reflected on how good of a point guard he is since if Jason Kidd, Deron Williams, Grant Hill (Back in his day), Steve Francis (Back in his day), and Chris Paul would easy have those double digit assists with a team like:SG: Raja Bell (3FG%)...SF: Boris Diaw (Fantastic Finisher)PF: Shawn Marion (All-Star Player)C: Amare Stoudemire (All-Star Player, Top 5 in FG%)A team built very well for a point guard with a good vision of the court.My Top 5 Point Guards 1. Magic Tall and Powerful Point guard. Also the pillar of the post-up play point guards like Deron Williams and Baron Davis.2. Oscar RobinsonHolds Triple-Double Record...3. Isiah Thomas The Start of Defensive Athletic Hybrid Point Guard in other word Tony Parker and T.J. Ford should thank Isiah Thomas for the type of way they play the game.4. John Stockton The Offensive Athletic Hybrid Point Guard. High Shooting Percentage reminds me a lot like how Calderon played in the 1st round of the playoffs for the Toronto Raptors and also Chauncy Billups.5. Jason KiddWith this point guard you probably have a unique blend of a hybrid point guard between Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robinson and a unique trait to make the players around him better then they usually are. 3rd in Triple Doubles. Choose him over Nash because he has been consistent throughout the years even as a rookie averaging his lowest in average for a season with 7.7 and also would somehow make his teammate better making unknown players or prospects into their true form and achieve their highest potential just ask Kenyon Martin and his contract and Mikki Moore. Steve Nash had a low assist average of 2.1 and many 7 assist averages and can not make his teammate better, he needs talent to achieve the high assist average.Could not put Bob in it since I have not seen him play and later today I will watch a couple of videos on him and put my input on him and maybe add him in my top 5.
Where's Pistol Pete in this topic? (If he's considered a PG) but from what I've read of him, he revolutionized dribbling moves..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 17 2007, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Magic Johnson2. Oscar Robertson3. Isiah Thomas4. John Stockton5. Jason KiddI put Kidd over Cousy because he is/was a better playmaker than Cousy ever was (Cousy never averaged more than 9.5APG, which is pretty amazing considering the team averaged 115-120 points per game), better rebounder, and while Cousy always scored more, he shot over 39% only once in his career (and never above 40%). Russell also won 5 rings after Cousy originally retired, so his titles don't mean as much to me as Kidd getting mediocre teams to the Finals.</div>you do realise that it's commonly acknowledged that it's much easier to be awarded an assist in today's game than it was back in the 50's and 60's right?I mean it's only been mentioned by any journalist or ex-player whenever the talk about the greatest PG's of all time is mentioned.So Cousy's numbers are lower, but it's not like he didn't run that C's team like a well oiled machine.
