Rumor What's going on in Portland?

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  1. jonnyboy

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    Wow. Confident aren’t you?

    You didn’t say “already blaming mail in ballots” you said “ already laying out excuses and conspiracy theories.”

    Both sides ARE already doing this. Way to move the goal posts and switch it to “mail in ballots” to win the argument in your head. Your point doesn’t stand because you failed to even make one. The left is already shitting their pants over collision, meddling and various other ways Trump could potentially steal an election. The excuses are there on both sides.
     
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    FACT: Russia interfered with our elections and is continuing to do so.

    FACT: trump refuses to uphold the sanctions put on Russia.

    FACT: Many red states have some serious gerrymandering issues that the republicans refuse to address

    FACT: Georgia's attorney general (Gov Kemp) used voter suppression in Georgia to enhance his chances and won in an extremely close race

    but you're not concerned, lol

    now tell me why we the people shouldn't be concerned about this
     
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    Debunked. Not even the clowns you watch on MSNBC are touching this non-story anymore. The rest of the rant you posted is either irrelevant or more unsubstantiated bullshit. I don’t give a rats ass about Georgia. Irrelevant. Russian sanctions? Irrelevant. Your opinions on “many red states” penchant for gerrymandering? Once again, irrelevant

    Your opinions are not facts, neither are your debunked Russia conspiracies.
     
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    Well, Russia did interfere because they bought facebook ads. :NOTMARIS:

    However, Trump was not involved in any way.
     
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    What the hell? They just started following me in IG this weekend. I don’t know if this is good or bad!

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    I think the account was hijacked by Narcs.
     
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    c'mon man.

    There is plenty of evidence the trump 2016 campaign had discussions with Russian operatives prior to the election. And for damn sure, several members of the trump 2016 campaign were involved with wikileaks and Assange who were most definitely being directed by russia. And "involvement" can certainly be cover-up and denial after the fact. If somebody commits a murder, throws the body in the trunk of their car, drives by your house, and you grab a shovel and go somewhere and help bury the body....you're definitely involved
     
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    Someone's going shopping at Mario's!


     
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    It’s not unlikely that an international businessperson would have discussions with foreigners. That isn’t proof of collusion. Calling private citizens and businesspeople from foreign countries “operatives” is just a sly way of making your assertion sound more juicy. There is also no evidence that Assange was being directed by Russia, or that any of Trumps cabinet members were acting as a “go-between” for Wikileaks and the Russian government. All these claims have come up empty handed as far as evidence is concerned. I don’t know how people are still spreading any of this stuff as fact. Most of the left wing outlets have even given up on it at this point.
     
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    It fits a narrative.
     
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    Sorry johnny. Those aren't my opinions. Maybe the news travels a little slow in Wyoming.
     
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    LOL

    I was replying to a post that said "trump was not involved in any way" which is simply not credible at all...except for people like you and OB apparently. And as I said, involvement can be both before and after the fact. It can also mean 'to benefit'

    for chrissakes just fucking google what George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to. And yeah, I know about the strategy of deniability , but anyone who believes trump didn't know about any contacts between his campaign, wikileaks, and russia is willfully naive. And why the fuck did the orange asshole spend his first 3 years doing dishonest and ridiculous back-flips about russian involvement?...yeah, I would say guilty conscience but of course that requires a moral compass and trump has none

    * "At least 17 Trump associates had contacts with Russians or Wikileaks, which released hacked documents, during the campaign or transition, according to an analysis of public records by the New York Times, with at least 100 face-to-face interactions, phone calls or electronic messages with Russians or Kremlin-linked figures and at least 51 individual communications.

    Trump aides known to have had contact with Russians include the president's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner, his son Donald Trump Jr, former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and former personal lawyer Michael Cohen
    ." *

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    but there is also this:


    * " No, Mueller does not appear to have developed evidence that anyone associated with the Trump campaign was involved in the hacking operation itself. And no, the investigation did not find a criminal conspiracy in the veritable blizzard of contacts between Trumpworld and the Russians. But this is an ugly story for Trump.

    Here’s the key point: If there wasn’t collusion on the hacking, it sure wasn’t for lack of trying. Indeed, the Mueller report makes clear that Trump personally ordered an attempt to obtain Hillary Clinton’s emails; and people associated with the campaign pursued this believing they were dealing with Russian hackers. Trump also personally engaged in discussions about coordinating public-relations strategy around WikiLeaks releases of hacked emails. At least one person associated with the campaign was in touch directly with the Guccifer 2.0 persona—which is to say with Russian military intelligence. And Donald Trump Jr. was directly in touch with WikiLeaks—from whom he obtained a password to a hacked database. There are reasons none of these incidents amount to crimes—good reasons, in my view, in most cases, viable judgment calls in others. But the picture it all paints of the president’s conduct is anything but exonerating.
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/ben-wittes-five-conclusions-mueller-report/588259/

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    that's the definition of involvement, and fuck the ridiculous idea that trump wasn't part of it

    I don't give a shit about trump leg-humpers trying to parse legal terms or arguing about exoneration from weak-asss investigations that didn't at least test any legal boundaries between courts and the administration or the legislative and executive. Trump was involved in what russia did in 2016. He was involved when it was happening, and he was involved when his white house was trying to cover up and distract
     
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    Exactly. No federal troops, in fact, Trump and the right praised them. No pages and pages of people advising them to protest peacefully.
     
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    Not sure. Do you like ribs?
     
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    Good one.

    If I can read your irrelevant factoids and smug insults almost instantaneously what makes you think there’d be any problem with the news feed in Wyoming?
     
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