OT White People

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  1. jonnyboy

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    They have no right to be shaming you or anybody else - and they can’t educate you because that would require skills and facts they don’t actually possess. It’s just a nose in the air act of trying to be authoritative. Their candidate was no better and had a worse history of racism, documented through quotes, actions and voting history. They will never admit that though. Don’t let them shit on you they have no room to talk. When their entire basis of Trumps racism sits on a foundation of misquotes and things taken way out of context it means they didn’t have much to work with in the first place. Trump was hiring minorities while the Ku Klux Clintons were overseeing massive cocaine shipments through Arkansas to support a crack epidemic that was decimating the black community. Fuck any Hillary voter with the nerve to talk shit on ANYONES voting choices. Seriously.
     
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    I wouldn't vote for Trump in a million years but I heard his comments about rapist. It was "some are rapist" which unfortunately ended up being true.
     
  3. andalusian

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    Some are rapists is unfortunately true for every ethnic group. By singling out Mexicans - Trump showed his racist flag.
     
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    This is some real nose in the air authoritarian spin with no basis in proof other than fear mongering and hiding of Trump's racist past and present....as dictated by Bolton, Mary Trump, Michael Cohen and Amarossa....there are more.....all who voted for Trump and all who called him a racist......and I voted for Gary Johnson last time but nothing says fake blind spin like Ku Klux Clintons....sheesh...Mr Shithole countries fooled somebody I guess.......
     
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    agree....I just don't think he was saying all Mexicans are racist.
     
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    It wasn't some are rapists, quite the opposite. Its that some, presumably, are good people.
     
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    Yeah, no one was saying that he was. He insinuates that some aren't by saying that some "probably" are good people. But andalusian nailed the point perfectly.
     
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    Is Trump racist?

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    It was a known fact Trump was racist before the election and was a HUGE talking point

    But but but what about the Benghazi scandal LMFAO
     
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    So a thread @dviss1 started, about police abusing people turns into a political slinging contest because these parties both SUCK, and no ones actually talking about police reform, or really police at all.
    I think this discussion proves the point, these parties aren't about fixing this crap they're about power, cause it always goes back to pointing political fingers for white people issues rather than working on reforming the system's so that everyone gets a shot at real justice.
     
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    I'd say you're sort of ignoring the dialogue about white leadership being racist which is connected to systemic racism and police abuse of power.....white people need to address racism and it's position in our current system if they're going to change it and some think an election year is condusive to doing just that.....if you see a racist and you don't like it....there's nothing wrong with pointing a finger at it no matter what your political affiliation is....dviss first post says white people fix this shit.....then when white people talk about this shit it doesn't mean they're ignorant of why it needs to be talked about....I'm trying to see where your post addresses the issue but it seems to be addressing posters in the thread and more concerned with that than the OP
     
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    I would recommend everyone here watch the oversight committee's grilling of Barr yesterday...it opens eyes if you have any doubts at this point.
     
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    It's classic white people crap. Black guy says we need police reform and justice. White people go your side's racist, no your side's more racist. Which person with a racist history is going to the president to screw minorities some more! Black Lives Matter is saying let's talk about police reform and justice for Black people, but we always make it about which political party is going to be in power and make justice partisan, and you can pretend like one of the political parties is better than the other, but the fact is both sides have a crappy history in this country when it comes to law enforcement and minorities. Too busy using them for votes rather than doing anything for them.
    MalcolmX was right.
     
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    So, at what point does BLM stop letting Ted Wheeler divert attention with whole anti-Trump stuff (which now seems to be getting resolved by the Governor), and start holding his feet to the fire to start formal discussions about what changes need to be made with PPB? Protesting is one thing. Getting stuff done is another.
     
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    The issue is that Malcom X was killed for being right...and it starts here...with this election and hopefully black women obtaining political appointments in the next administration....millions of protesters across the world are not playing right or left ping pong...they are crossing lines to address equality and unfair racial profiling...it's an important chapter in our history no matter how burned out one might seem from partisan bickering
     
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    I'm going to make one thing really clear here.....overwhelmingly racists vote republican in America....overwhelmingly white supremacists vote republican in America....yeah...sucks but it's not a question which party has that subcultures loyalty
     
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    The vocal racists are republicans. The subvert ones are democrats. MalcolmX told the truth.
    So the police and justice system needs fixed.

    Here's my ideas.
    1. Training
    more intense training and longer 'boot camps' of training Training to include de-escalation training. Non-lethal ways to arrest someone. Should require a minimum of one-year training before being put onto the streets. Every year an officer should be required to go through a month of retraining.
    Police with only high school education, are required an extra year of training and education, and off fieldwork before being put on the street.
    2. Mental Health)
    Every 6 months a police officer must go through a psychiatric exam. Police see the worst in humanity almost every day, everyone, their peers, citizens, etc need to know that their mental health is being checked upon. If they don't pass the exam then they need to have a time off period, where they don't do field duty work, they go through counseling for 6 months. When they retake the exam a pass means they can assume full duties. A fail means they are mentally unfit for the job, now they should have some sort of package for them that continues to help them with mental health, and helping them to find other jobs. The last thing we want is a mentally deranged ex-cop who has lost everything shoved out onto the world with no fall back and a gun.
    3. Accountability.)
    All complaints against a police officer must be reviewed by a third party overseen on a national level. police should not investigate their own friends. DA’s also must go through audits every 6 months. All investigation and audit findings need to be public knowledge. My chicken scratch way to handle this is that every officer and DA receives an accountability score of some sort. Minor things would give lower amount of points. Major things if found true would be an automatic termination, with no severance pay. If the minor things added up to enough points that would result in automatic termination.
    4. Community) police representatives must be required to have monthly meetings with their community, they should have the hard discussions, and community concerns need to have tangible plans and results to community concerns. Body cams need to be on all the times.
    5. Demilitarization)
    "Brotherhood" isn't a bad thing, in the sense that people seeing what police see need to have a bond with who they're working with, but their needs to be less of this we protect our brothers when they do bad things attitude from the police.
    They should not basically be a government gang. You fight this by having requirements for body cam's. If an officer is caught to be falsifying information of another cop, even on minor things it's a minimum 1-year prison term, no parole. - Police are at a higher standard than citizens.
    6. Pay) This is a demanding Job it should be paid as one to incentivize people to do it.
    7. Bodycam footage should be reviewed daily by state agencies and made public with no edits (unless there are EXTREME) circumstances.

    All that may end up in bigger police budgets I don't know, but I think that's a better system than what we have.
     
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    I understand, that as a hardwired follower, it is difficult for you to understand a movement without a Jesus or a Trump, but at the moment that's what is happening. You aren't proving any point by saying the lacking the leader thing over and over. I mean the country has a leader and how are we doing...?

    And fuck off with mixing your creepy religious pro-life stance with politics. What kind of sheep is willing to accept Trump and his incredibly irreligious and sacrilegious behavior and not feel like a hypocritical sinner?

    What do you think of this notion @ABM: I think pro-lifers are lazy frauds. If children's lives meant anything to you, I believe you would fix the foster system. You would work tirelessly to create an inviting option for women that find themselves carrying an unwanted child and maybe refrain from shaming and stigmatizing them, and I don't know, respect them for a change. Because otherwise it's just a hyphenated word that says: "I'm a no solution kinda person that doesn't mind if the child's life sucks just as long as they are alive and with someone who didn't want to have them in the first place."

    Your stance is too simple, too black and white. If you believe the scriptures and it matters to you, change things with positivity. Not by restrictive laws like some dictatorial fuck, not by voting in fascist and fuckasses, but through actual kindness and understand.

    Or don't, and keep repeating yourself indefinitely like you have been....
     
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    Bernie Sanders mentioned that peace keeping officers should specialize in what they are trained to respond to.....mental illness cases need people trained to deal with the mentally ill...linguists need to be available for second language citizens or residents....and this is where defunding the swat teams and diversifying the divisions to deal with social problems need be addressed...community peace keeping needs local funding, not harrassment and armed responders for every issue that gets called in...and the police would be better served with officers that fit the demographics of their beat more than they do now.....there is a lot of work to do...some of your points are good ones....my local sheriff dept meets at the library weekly to hear from locals about complaints they have....they know all the homeless by first name and they will drive a drunk home instead of sending him to jail if he's not bothering anyone....we're lucky that way around here....very little harrassment around Lane County..noone should be allowed to be a police officer just because they can shoot a gun or overpower someone
     
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