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I'm kind of obsessed with the Sixers. They SHOULD be SO GOOD (kind of like we thought the Roy-Aldridge-Oden Blazers were going to be). Hinkie's "Process" gave them a foundation to be a dynasty. But they keep fucking it up! What's the problem? Part of it seems to be that Simmons and Embiid just don't really work together. Maybe that's Simmons' fault? I want him to be a superstar because he's like Rajon Rondo (one of my fave players ever) in a forward's body, but what's with the weird reluctance to shoot threes? And has he ever actually won anywhere?

Or maybe that's Embiid's fault? He can absolutely dominate when he wants, but then he can also vanish, and he looks like a real injury risk.

Also: why the fuck did they spend all that money on Horford when he clearly doesn't work with Embiid?

So: here's my suggestion (which, as you can see, doesn't actually work, but maybe could be the basis of a trade that DOES work):

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The basic idea is to get Chris Paul a real shot at a title, while giving OKC a star to build around. This might look a bit unfair to Philly, because they get Paul AND SGA, but Paul is ancient and has a ginormous contract. Basically Paul for Horford is two untradeable contracts being swapped, and then Simmons for SGA is two young starlets being swapped. Maybe swap SGA out for Bazely or something? I don't really care enough about OKC to worry. But I think if Philly have to pick one star to go with, they should probably pick Embiid. He's the guy who, when he's on, is as good as anyone in the league. He could be a bigger Anthony Davis if he really wanted it. And I don't think he doesn't care - he was genuinely distraught after Kawhi's "the shot" last year.

Anyone else got opinions?
 
Why you trying to help the Thunder, a team in our division get better?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I'm kind of obsessed with the Sixers. They SHOULD be SO GOOD (kind of like we thought the Roy-Aldridge-Oden Blazers were going to be). Hinkie's "Process" gave them a foundation to be a dynasty. But they keep fucking it up! What's the problem? Part of it seems to be that Simmons and Embiid just don't really work together. Maybe that's Simmons' fault? I want him to be a superstar because he's like Rajon Rondo (one of my fave players ever) in a forward's body, but what's with the weird reluctance to shoot threes? And has he ever actually won anywhere?

Or maybe that's Embiid's fault? He can absolutely dominate when he wants, but then he can also vanish, and he looks like a real injury risk.

Also: why the fuck did they spend all that money on Horford when he clearly doesn't work with Embiid?

So: here's my suggestion (which, as you can see, doesn't actually work, but maybe could be the basis of a trade that DOES work):

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The basic idea is to get Chris Paul a real shot at a title, while giving OKC a star to build around. This might look a bit unfair to Philly, because they get Paul AND SGA, but Paul is ancient and has a ginormous contract. Basically Paul for Horford is two untradeable contracts being swapped, and then Simmons for SGA is two young starlets being swapped. Maybe swap SGA out for Bazely or something? I don't really care enough about OKC to worry. But I think if Philly have to pick one star to go with, they should probably pick Embiid. He's the guy who, when he's on, is as good as anyone in the league. He could be a bigger Anthony Davis if he really wanted it. And I don't think he doesn't care - he was genuinely distraught after Kawhi's "the shot" last year.

Anyone else got opinions?
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It's really fairly simple... Just has to wait until the new 'season' begins.
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On O, Ben would be PG, Dame as SG, & Trent as SF.
On D, Dame would be PG, Trent as SG, and Ben as SF.
 
Embiid is not the issue. They lose all their minutes when Embiid is off the floor. Their problem is making sure the team doesn't nosedive when he's out of the game and then maximizing the effectiveness of the minutes that both Embiid and Simmons are on the floor at the same time.
 
tester551 said:
It's really fairly simple... Just has to wait until the new 'season' begins.
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On O, Ben would be PG, Dame as SG, & Trent as SF.
On D, Dame would be PG, Trent as SG, and Ben as SF.
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I think to land Ben we’d have to do CJ, Zach/Simons, and two 1st rounders at the very least. I’d still probably do it. However, we would need to make some smart and cheap frontcourt signings.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I think to land Ben we’d have to do CJ, Zach/Simons, and two 1st rounders at the very least. I’d still probably do it. However, we would need to make some smart and cheap frontcourt signings.
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That'd be a tough call.
I'd be game for CJ+Simons+'20 1st. Any more than that, and I'm starting to get cold feet.
 
tester551 said:
That'd be a tough call.
I'd be game for CJ+Simons+'20 1st. Any more than that, and I'm starting to get cold feet.
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We are talking about obtaining a 24 year old, multiple time all-star, former RoY, and on a long contract player. It’s gonna cost a lot and it is likely worth it. Older players who wanna ring chase will take less if we have a Big 3 of Lillard, Simmons, and Nurk.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
We are talking about obtaining a 24 year old, multiple time all-star, former RoY, and on a long contract player. It’s gonna cost a lot and it is likely worth it. Older players who wanna ring chase will take less if we have a Big 3 of Lillard, Simmons, and Nurk.
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I'd be on board if I were comfortable that Simmons would develop range beyond 10' from the basket. Dame is best when he drives to the basket. Nurk needs to be close to the basket. Ben would just add one more person who needs to be close to the basket...potentially clogging things up.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
We are talking about obtaining a 24 year old, multiple time all-star, former RoY, and on a long contract player. It’s gonna cost a lot and it is likely worth it. Older players who wanna ring chase will take less if we have a Big 3 of Lillard, Simmons, and Nurk.
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Simmons is an terrible fit next to Lillard. Why would we get a 2nd player that's a WORSE fit than our current 2nd player? Gotta focus on fit and cohesion and that's what you're missing when you're just analyzing things based off of "ROY, All-Star" etc.
 
tester551 said:
I'd be on board if I were comfortable that Simmons would develop range beyond 10' from the basket. Dame is best when he drives to the basket. Nurk needs to be close to the basket. Ben would just add one more person who needs to be close to the basket...potentially clogging things up.
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This right here. Ben cant shoot. Would not be a good fit on this team.
 
as per normal our issues are front court imo, not back.

SF/PF is still a mystery at this point.

if we could get someone like brandon clarke id be stoked. dreaming i know, but simons? zach? little? something?
 
I have an irrational fandom for Ben and think he'd be amazing next to a PG like Dame. I'd give up everyone on our team not named Dame or Nurk to land him. Simmons is a perpetual DPOY candidate-- how cares if he can't shoot?

Dame/Trent/Hood/Simmons/Nurkic is a championship lineup.
 
BonesJones said:
Simmons is an terrible fit next to Lillard. Why would we get a 2nd player that's a WORSE fit than our current 2nd player? Gotta focus on fit and cohesion and that's what you're missing when you're just analyzing things based off of "ROY, All-Star" etc.
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Simmons would absolutely be terrific with Lillard. Teams won’t be able to trap us with Simmons size, Lillard can actually move off ball effectively with a legitimate player who will pass the ball and do it well. Simmons is a disruptive defender, his size important, idc if he’s not a shooter, we have plenty of those now. We’ve been clamoring for a player who can truly play PG other than Lillard for years. Simmons is only going to get better too.
 
illmatic99 said:
I have an irrational fandom for Ben and think he'd be amazing next to a PG like Dame. I'd give up everyone on our team not named Dame or Nurk to land him. Simmons is a perpetual DPOY candidate-- how cares if he can't shoot?

Dame/Trent/Hood/Simmons/Nurkic is a championship lineup.
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I’d say Simmons/Melo at 3/4, love Hood but he is a ? Rn.
 
Simmons needs to be the main guy with the ball in his hands. Are you ready to turn Dame into a full time SG? Well, even if you are, it ain't going to happen. The only Blazer the Sixers would trade Simmons for is Dame. Now THAT would be a killer Sixers team.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Simmons needs to be the main guy with the ball in his hands. Are you ready to turn Dame into a full time SG? Well, even if you are, it ain't going to happen. The only Blazer the Sixers would trade Simmons for is Dame. Now THAT would be a killer Sixers team.
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If LeBron and Kyrie/Wade worked, then Dame and Simmons would. It’s not like Dame/Simmons are selfish stars.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
If LeBron and Kyrie/Wade worked, then Dame and Simmons would. It’s not like Dame/Simmons are selfish stars.
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Arguably, Wade/LeBron underachieved. And Kyrie was a GREAT shooter, so could operate off the ball. Simmons cannot and WILL not shoot.

But again: no way they give up on Simmons for a package headed by CJ.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I think to land Ben we’d have to do CJ, Zach/Simons, and two 1st rounders at the very least. I’d still probably do it. However, we would need to make some smart and cheap frontcourt signings.
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I'd certainly do that.
Dame Trent Simmons Nurk is a contender.

I'm usually against all CJ trade talk. But if you can bring in a potential guy like Simmons you do it just about no matter the cost. Its like the Rockets getting Hardin. If the Sixers do break up their duo yes the Blazers should jump in.

I do think CJ makes sense for both sides. Not sure Neil/Dame will entertain any CJ trades.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Arguably, Wade/LeBron underachieved. And Kyrie was a GREAT shooter, so could operate off the ball. Simmons cannot and WILL not shoot.

But again: no way they give up on Simmons for a package headed by CJ.
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Who did the Pelicans get for Davis, or the Spurs for Kawhi, or the Bulls for Jimmy Butler, or Pacers for Paul George? A team never gets equivalent talent back in these trades. Maybe a CJ package doesn't get it done but he has the name and game to make that package a legit offer.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Who did the Pelicans get for Davis, or the Spurs for Kawhi, or the Bulls for Jimmy Butler, or Pacers for Paul George? A team never gets equivalent talent back in these trades. Maybe a CJ package doesn't get it done but he has the name and game to make that package a legit offer.
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Maybe, but all of those were demanding trades. There's no indication Simmons has done the same.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Who did the Pelicans get for Davis, or the Spurs for Kawhi, or the Bulls for Jimmy Butler, or Pacers for Paul George? A team never gets equivalent talent back in these trades. Maybe a CJ package doesn't get it done but he has the name and game to make that package a legit offer.
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Pelicans got an All Star, a lottery pick, Hart, and Lonzo. They won that trade IMO.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Pelicans got an All Star, a lottery pick, Hart, and Lonzo. They won that trade IMO.
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No, they didn't, because they traded away an all-time great talent. But they did an impressive job of maximizing a bad situation, since Davis wanted out.
 
illmatic99 said:
I have an irrational fandom for Ben and think he'd be amazing next to a PG like Dame. I'd give up everyone on our team not named Dame or Nurk to land him. Simmons is a perpetual DPOY candidate-- how cares if he can't shoot?

Dame/Trent/Hood/Simmons/Nurkic is a championship lineup.
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Agreed, I'd love to land him similarly, keep Dame and Nurk, and tell me what you want for him. I don't think CJ/Collins/Simons is too much to give. I see no reason he can't play the Draymond Green role for us at the 3 or the 4. Big, great defending playmaker. His passing and playmaking combined with Dame and Nurk? Sign me up.
 
Minstrel said:
No, they didn't, because they traded away an all-time great talent. But they did an impressive job of maximizing a bad situation, since Davis wanted out.
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They never won anything with Davis. Ingram is an All Star and younger than Davis. Add all those other pieces and I don’t think it’s close. My opinion.
 
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