Not that it is a surprise or anything <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Michael Vick has been indicted by a federal grand jury in connection with the dogfighting probe of his property in Virginia.The Falcons quarterback was indicted for conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District in Richmond, Va. Three others -- Purnell Peace, Quanis Phillips and Tony Taylor -- also were indicted by the grand jury on the same charges.According to court documents filed by federal authorities earlier this month, dog fights have been sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" at the property since at least 2002. For the events, participants and dogs traveled from South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, New York, Texas and other states.Members of the venture also knowingly transported, delivered and received dogs for animal fighting, the documents state. Fifty-four pit bulls were recovered from the property during searches in April, along with a "rape stand," used to hold dogs in place for mating; an electric treadmill modified for dogs; and a bloodied piece of carpeting, the documents said.The property was used as the "main staging area for housing and training the pit bulls involved in the dog fighting venture," according to the filings. The documents said the fights usually occurred late at night or in the early morning and would last several hours. The winning dog would win from "hundreds up to thousands of dollars," and participants and spectators also would place bets on the fight. Before fights, the participating dogs of the same sex would be weighed and bathed, according to the filings. Opposing dogs would be washed to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog's coat that could affect the other dog's performance. Sometimes participants would not feed a dog before the fight to "make it more hungry for the other dog," the documents said. Fights would end when one dog died or with the surrender of the losing dog, which was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution or some other method, according to the documents. The property has an above-ground swimming pool, and investigators were seen looking into the pool Friday. During a June search of the property, investigators uncovered the graves of seven pit bulls that were killed by members of "Bad Newz Kennels" following sessions to test whether dogs would be good fighters, the documents said. Members of "Bad Newz Kennels" also sponsored and exhibited fights in other parts of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, New Jersey and other states, the filings said. On June 7, federal law enforcement officials descended on the property with a search warrant. More than a dozen vehicles went to the home early that day and investigators searched inside before turning their attention to the area where officials found dozens of dogs in late April and evidence that suggested the home was involved in a dogfighting operation. Surry County officials had secured a search warrant in late May based on an informant's information to look for as many as 30 dog carcasses buried on the property. The warrant never was executed because Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter said he had issues with the way it was worded. The results of that search have remained sealed. At the time, Poindexter expressed surprise at why the federal government was involved. "What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?" A day later, "They launched a separate, independent federal investigation," Poindexter said of the government, which has had a representative involved in the local probe all along. A search warrant affidavit said some of the dogs were in individual kennels and about 30 were tethered with "heavy logging-type chains" buried in the ground. The chains allowed the dogs to get close to each other, but not to have contact, one of myriad findings on the property that suggested a dogfighting operation.Vick initially said he had no idea the property might have been used in a criminal enterprise and blamed family members for taking advantage of his generosity. He also put the house up for sale and reportedly sold it quickly, although there is no record that the sale has closed. Vick has since declined to talk about the investigation.</div>http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2940065
He should have just stepped up and admitted he did wrong a while ago. Now this is a huge distraction for him and the team. I bet they wish they hadn't traded Matt Schaub right now if Vick happens to miss some games.
[quote name='PrimeTime' post='368335' date='May 30 2007, 06:19 PM']They still have nothing to tie him to it. People just love controversy. I really couldnt care regardless even if he did have evidence agaist him. This is just getting dragged out too much.[/quote][quote name='PrimeTime' post='368425' date='May 30 2007, 07:20 PM']How is he a piece of crap? This the first thing he's ever done remotely wrong and he has no evidence that he had anything to do with it other then that he had friends living in a house he rarely visits. That's like if I got rich and hooked up my friends with an old house then they murder someone in it, and I get blamed for the murder?[/quote][quote name='PrimeTime' post='368564' date='May 30 2007, 08:57 PM']Right now theres no evidence agaist him. That's all that matters. If you dont got evidence all you got is assumptions. Like I said, even if hes guilty I really dont care. This is no way whatsoever effects my life at all. Im just tired of hearing " MICHAEL VICK IS sh*t, HE BET ON DOGS!''[/quote][quote name='PrimeTime' post='369265' date='May 31 2007, 07:05 PM']Theres plenty of evidence to support dog fights happened. To support Vick had anything to do with it? None.I'm not even a vick fan but its unfair to call him out so much on this when he isnt even convicted yet. You all dont know the whole story so how can you talk sh*t right now?[/quote][quote name='PrimeTime' post='369275' date='May 31 2007, 07:12 PM']Go into further detail on that BCB. That seems extremely unfounded and 100% racist. Black people wont admit black people did anything wrong? (I wish it worked that way, 80% of the jails wouldnt be filled with black people if things worked so perfectly)[/quote][quote name='PrimeTime' post='370004' date='Jun 1 2007, 11:34 AM']There is no proof until a court deems him guilty. Thats what this country was founded on.[/quote][quote name='PrimeTime' post='370041' date='Jun 1 2007, 12:15 PM']That's bad you want to send a guy to jail who you dont even know who has donated millions to help people all over his home state virginia(where I was born also)[/quote][quote name='PrimeTime' post='370882' date='Jun 2 2007, 12:35 AM']Everyone keeps saying they dont have enough to link him officially but everyone here knows everything about the case I guess.[/quote]Sorry PT, just had to get all those posts.. Mike Vick is a living piece of sh*t, and I didnt know it took a rocket scientist to see that.. 808HF, Vick will miss games even if he is not sent to jail or anything.. Goddell won't have any of this sh*t, Pacman wasn't ever indicted yet he's done for the entire season.. You can count on Vick being gone for a while..
But I did hear Goodell's policy now is he's not going to suspend anyone unless they're a repeat offender. Vick hasn't done much to this point, so I don't think he'll have a harsh punishment, somehow he'll get away with this, personally I think he should be suspended for a year so and maybe he can change his lifestyle and grow up a little bit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 17 2007, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry PT, just had to get all those posts.. Mike Vick is a living piece of sh*t, and I didnt know it took a rocket scientist to see that.. 808HF, Vick will miss games even if he is not sent to jail or anything.. Goddell won't have any of this sh*t, Pacman wasn't ever indicted yet he's done for the entire season.. You can count on Vick being gone for a while..</div>CAN YOU SAY OWNED???????????????????
You can't blame PrimeTime for defending this guy... it seems like he defends every black athlete (person?) with legal issues. Even if it was entirely obvious that Vick had at least some part in this, you have to admit that it's probably hard for PT to realize that.
He won't miss any games. This stuff will happen way after the season. He'll definately be suspended though.I wish you guys wouldn't jump on him though. Even if everyone looks the way it is, lets not make this a second Duke lax case..
I don't know, Roger Goodell has been on everybody's ass about conduct...Vick might be missing some significant time.
Nothing would make me happier then to see this piece of scum sent to prison for multiple years. I will enjoy knowing that he is probably getting his ass hole ripped apart by some 300 pound guy with tits. Mike Vick is the scum of the earth, only a truly sick and twisted individual would take part in something as disturbing as dog fighting. I hope this thing ruins his life.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The`Dream @ Jul 18 2007, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm going to wager that he will be suspended for eight games minimum</div>Why? Pacman Jones was NOT indicted, but he was a repeat offender - he was suspended the entire season. Mike Vick WAS indicted, and he was directly invovled with this dog fighting scheme. This crime is cruel, and just repulsive - there is absolutely no way he gets out of this without missing games, and he'll be lucky as fu*kin hell if he doesn't get suspended.. I'd rather have a Pacman Jones type criminal as my QB than a piece of f*cking scum like Mike Vick. There is a 95% conviction rate when the person is indicted, so the odds are against him..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pronk48 @ Jul 18 2007, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nothing would make me happier then to see this piece of scum sent to prison for multiple years. I will enjoy knowing that he is probably getting his ass hole ripped apart by some 300 pound guy with tits. Mike Vick is the scum of the earth, only a truly sick and twisted individual would take part in something as disturbing as dog fighting. I hope this thing ruins his life.</div>Oh whatever...nobody knows if he was 100% tied to the dogfighting, other than the fact that it was his house. You don't even know what the hardcore evidence is, so I don't know why you're so disgusted...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 18 2007, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh whatever...nobody knows if he was 100% tied to the dogfighting, other than the fact that it was his house. You don't even know what the hardcore evidence is, so I don't know why you're so disgusted...</div>THERE'S 18 PAGES CONNECTING HIM DIRECTLY TO DOGFIGHTING!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 17 2007, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry PT, just had to get all those posts.. Mike Vick is a living piece of sh*t, and I didnt know it took a rocket scientist to see that.. 808HF, Vick will miss games even if he is not sent to jail or anything.. Goddell won't have any of this sh*t, Pacman wasn't ever indicted yet he's done for the entire season.. You can count on Vick being gone for a while..</div>Michael vick isnt guilty yet, its still presumptuous to bring up those posts.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingjamez @ Jul 18 2007, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>THERE'S 18 PAGES CONNECTING HIM DIRECTLY TO DOGFIGHTING!</div>Did you read the 18 pages? I don't give a damn about Vick, if he did this I would be pissed , but stop jumping to conclusions and overreacting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 18 2007, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh whatever...nobody knows if he was 100% tied to the dogfighting, other than the fact that it was his house. You don't even know what the hardcore evidence is, so I don't know why you're so disgusted...</div>They don't just hand out indictments if you "might" have been involved. There are several testimonies from people saying that Vick was directly involved in it. Who can't be disgusted by dog fighting and people who take part in it? THEY KILLED A DOG BY SLAMMING IT ON THE GROUND, WHO IS NOT DISGUSTED BY THAT?!?!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pronk48 @ Jul 18 2007, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>THEY KILLED A DOG BY SLAMMING IT ON THE GROUND, WHO IS NOT DISGUSTED BY THAT?!?!</div>Vick and his kind friends also drowned, electricuted, shot, and hung dogs that were ailing and not performing..
To anyone with common sense, Mike Vick was obviously deeply involved in dog fighting, this isn't like the Duke rape case where some whore made up accusations. There is damning evidence all over the place that he was involved, the home he owned, the numerous people that can pin him at dog fighting events, not to mention can atest to him dropping thousands of dollars on fights. It's common knowledge among teammates that Vick has been involved in it....
