This is not who are the 5 best players of alltime but 5 alltime players that would mesh well together as a team.PG-Magic JohnsonSG-Michael JordanSF-Scottie PippenPF-Tim DuncanC-Hakeem Olajuwonedit: I typoed Dream I know.
I really dont get the idea of this thread other than highlighting the NBA all time first team. However, Wilt should be ahead of the Dream.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 18 2007, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I really dont get the idea of this thread other than highlighting the NBA all time first team. However, Wilt should be ahead of the Dream.</div>I doubt MJ and Wilt would mesh well, thats too much offensive fire power. Hakeem would be a better fit, bringing players who played in completely eras of basketball wouldnt fit as well as a guy who dominated offensively and defensively. Wilt was always a bit of a ball-hog as was MJ, and you dont want 2 ballhogs on one team. If I was going to include Chamberlain my alltime team would bePG-Gary PaytonSG-Magic JohnsonSF-Sidney MoncriefPF-Dennis RodmanC-Wilt Chamberlain
Mine would probably be-PG- Magic JohnsonSG- Michael JordanSF- Larry BirdPF- Tim DuncanC- Hakeem OlajuwonAs with Prime Time, I feel Wilt (and Shaq) wouldn't mesh well with MJ, and would be too demanding as scorers. Magic, Michael, and Larry have played together before on the Dream Team and were fantastic. Duncan and Hakeem were both unselfish offensively, but if needed, can dominate games. Defensively that would probably be the scariest PF-C combo in NBA history.
This is tough as you need the perfect amount of defensive and offensive force on your squad. I liked your pick of Gary Payton, Primetime.PG- Gary PaytonSG- Michael JordanSF- Scottie Pippen PF- Shawn KempC- Dikembe MutumboYou could replace Kemp with Tim Duncan as Duncan is much more talented of a player. However, it's nice to have two combo's who spent large portions of their career playing with each other thus knowing how to work together on the court.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 18 2007, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I doubt MJ and Wilt would mesh well, thats too much offensive fire power. Hakeem would be a better fit, bringing players who played in completely eras of basketball wouldnt fit as well as a guy who dominated offensively and defensively. Wilt was always a bit of a ball-hog as was MJ, and you dont want 2 ballhogs on one team. If I was going to include Chamberlain my alltime team would bePG-Gary PaytonSG-Magic JohnsonSF-Sidney MoncriefPF-Dennis RodmanC-Wilt Chamberlain</div>Thats falsified. Chamberlain attemped around 23.5 K field goals. Hakeem attempted 21K. Per games played, he only attemped roughly 1-2 more per game. Wilt just shot better from the field. Which is why their respective scoring totals are so different. So really your point that 2 ballhogs in Jordan and Wilt arent true, as its clearly evident Jordan and Hakeem were ballhogs as you say. So really if your point was that ballhogs dont go together, you wouldnt put Michael Jordan on your team, because he shot more than Wilt, and Wilt scored more than him. So infact, MJ shouldnt be on this team, but Wilt should.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 18 2007, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So really if your point was that ballhogs dont go together, you wouldnt put Michael Jordan on your team, because he shot more than Wilt, and Wilt scored more than him. So infact, MJ shouldnt be on this team, but Wilt should.</div>Actually you are wrong. When Wilt and MJ scored 37PPG, Wilt did it on 32FGA to MJ's 27FGA. MJ also shot as good or a better % than Wilt during their respective best years as scorers. MJ was a more talented scorer than Wilt, had more heart than Wilt ever had, is arguably the most clutch player to ever play the game, better defensive player, etc... There are many, many reasons why people put MJ over Wilt.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>PG- Gary PaytonSG- Michael JordanSF- Scottie Pippen PF- Shawn KempC- Dikembe Mutumbo</div>Eh, GP isn't the passer Magic was, nor is he gonna rebound or run the fast break like Magic. Especially with the team you got there, you'd want a guy to ignite the MJ/Scottie/Kemp fast break.Kemp more talented than Duncan? Hell no. More athletic and better slasher, but Duncan is one of the best pure post scorers we have ever seen, better defender, better rebounder, and better passer.And while Dikembe is a great choice for defense, he won't give you much in terms of offense. Since Kemp was more of a slasher than post player, you'd be lacking a post presence to go to when the perimeter players were off.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 18 2007, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kemp more talented than Duncan? Hell no. More athletic and better slasher, but Duncan is one of the best pure post scorers we have ever seen, better defender, better rebounder, and better passer.And while Dikembe is a great choice for defense, he won't give you much in terms of offense. Since Kemp was more of a slasher than post player, you'd be lacking a post presence to go to when the perimeter players were off.</div>I said Tim Duncan was more talented. The phrasing probabely threw you off. I took Kemp because I wanted an athletic hustle player in the starting lineup.You're right, I do need a solid post prescence. A prescence that would not need the ball many times in a game and would also be unstopable when it comes to post defense.I think Hakeem would be a solid starting option in this situation to replace Mutumbo.PG- Gary PaytonSG- Michael JordanSF- Scottie PippenPF- Shawn KempC- Hakeem Olajuwan<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Eh, GP isn't the passer Magic was, nor is he gonna rebound or run the fast break like Magic. Especially with the team you got there, you'd want a guy to ignite the MJ/Scottie/Kemp fast break.</div>Magic was unstopabble on the fast-break but I feel as though Jordan, Pippen, and Kemp would be perfectly fine on the break with Payton starting. Also, I built this squad to mesh on the court. Kemp and Payton played many games in Seattle together, they know how to compliment each other.Gary Payton was a solid rebounder on Seattle, even though he wasn't nearly as tough a rebounder as Magic was, this squad has Pippen, Olajuwan, and Kemp. It will have no problem rebounding wise.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 18 2007, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I said Tim Duncan was more talented. The phrasing probabely threw you off. I took Kemp because I wanted an athletic hustle player in the starting lineup.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You could replace Kemp with Tim Duncan as he's much more talented of a player</div>Seems like you said Kemp is the much more talented player to me <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Magic was unstopabble on the fast-break but I feel as though Jordan, Pippen, and Kemp would be perfectly fine on the break with Payton starting. Also, I built this squad to mesh on the court. Kemp and Payton played many games in Seattle together, they know how to compliment each other.Gary Payton was a solid rebounder on Seattle, even though he wasn't nearly as tough a rebounder as Magic was, this squad has Pippen, Olajuwan, and Kemp. It will have no problem rebounding wise.</div>I built my squad to mesh as well. Magic/Bird/Jordan all played together on the Dream Team and meshed extremely well with each other. Magic and Bird are both unselfish and would know when MJ wants the ball, you get him the ball. Duncan and Hakeem are easy players to blend in with mild attitudes and championship experience.And rebounding is a big part of winning rings, and you want all the rebounding you can get.Oh, and forgot to add earlier, magic is 6'9'', which makes him much harder to stop as a scorer and passer than Payton.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 18 2007, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And rebounding is a big part of winning rings, and you want all the rebounding you can get.Oh, and forgot to add earlier, magic is 6'9'', which makes him much harder to stop as a scorer and passer than Payton.</div>Gary Payton can rebound, same with everyone else on this squad. Everyone on this team has averaged at least 6 RPG at one point in their career. Lack of rebounding will not be an issue.Alongside Gary Payton I have Scottie Pippen, a 6'7" 20 PPG scorer who is also considered the greatest point forward of all time in many peoples minds. Payton and Pippen together, easily bring everything that Magic brought to the table.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Seems like you said Kemp is the much more talented player to me </div>As I said, I phrased it badly. By no means is Kemp more talented than Duncan. In fact, I'll go edit my original post now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 18 2007, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gary Payton can rebound, same with everyone else on this squad. Everyone on this team has averaged at least 6 RPG at one point in their career. Lack of rebounding will not be an issue.Alongside Gary Payton I have Scottie Pippen, a 6'7" 20 PPG scorer who is also considered the greatest point forward of all time in many peoples minds. Payton and Pippen together, easily bring everything that Magic brought to the table.</div>Hey, when you're playing a team with Jason Kidd, Larry Bird, Grant Hill, Tim Duncan and Shaq, you'll wish you had more rebounding Give me Magic and a guy like LeBron or Bird who can score better than Pippen and also pass as well.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>As I said, I phrased it badly. By no means is Kemp more talented than Duncan. In fact, I'll go edit my original post now.</div>Haha, I'm just playing, it's all good.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 18 2007, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, when you're playing a team with Jason Kidd, Larry Bird, Grant Hill, Tim Duncan and Shaq, you'll wish you had more rebounding </div>Kidd/Bird/Hill/Duncan/Shaq = 47.6 RPG----Payton/Jordan/Pippen/Kemp/Olajuwan = 36.1 RPGJohnson/Jordan/Pippen/Kemp/Olajuwan = 39.2 RPGNot really a huge difference.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 18 2007, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey, when you're playing a team with Jason Kidd, Larry Bird, Grant Hill, Tim Duncan and Shaq, you'll wish you had more rebounding Give me Magic and a guy like LeBron or Bird who can score better than Pippen and also pass as well.Haha, I'm just playing, it's all good.</div>Lebron and bird are both weak defensively though, pippen fits perfect for any dream team not only because hes one the best defenders the sf has ever seen but he doesn't mind taking a back seat and involves all the players on the team in the game. Individually he isnt as good as Bird or Lebron, but in a team aspect especially with a team filled with stars he mshes well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 18 2007, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lebron and bird are both weak defensively though, pippen fits perfect for any dream team not only because hes one the best defenders the sf has ever seen but he doesn't mind taking a back seat and involves all the players on the team in the game. Individually he isnt as good as Bird or Lebron, but in a team aspect especially with a team filled with stars he mshes well.</div>I was talking in terms of offense, not all around. But Bird was not a weak defender, and he offers as good of passing as Pippen along with much better scoring, can run the break, and rebound extremely well too. Not to mention he is clutch, where as Pippen has a history of choking.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 18 2007, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was talking in terms of offense, not all around. But Bird was not a weak defender, and he offers as good of passing as Pippen along with much better scoring, can run the break, and rebound extremely well too. Not to mention he is clutch, where as Pippen has a history of choking.</div>Bird wasnt a terrible defender but he is not anywhere near pippen defensively, and in a dream team there is no shortage of offense. Oh yeah, Pippen sure choked his way to 6 championships.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 18 2007, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bird wasnt a terrible defender but he is not anywhere near pippen defensively, and in a dream team there is no shortage of offense. Oh yeah, Pippen sure choked his way to 6 championships. </div>There is usually no shortage of defense either. Bird gives you much better offense, and would be much better off ball than Pippen. In order for Pippent o be really effective, he needs the ball in his hands as much as anyone else on the team. He is not the shooter or off ball cutter that Bird was to really mesh in as well as Bird would. And yes, Pippen did choke a number of times, and never really a person you can count on to hit the big shots down the stretch.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 18 2007, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is usually no shortage of defense either. Bird gives you much better offense, and would be much better off ball than Pippen. In order for Pippent o be really effective, he needs the ball in his hands as much as anyone else on the team. He is not the shooter or off ball cutter that Bird was to really mesh in as well as Bird would. And yes, Pippen did choke a number of times, and never really a person you can count on to hit the big shots down the stretch.</div>Actually defense tends to be the major problem on most dream teams as in internation ball you need great man-defenders. Bird wouldnt be a terrible pick but Pip would fit better. In a team with guys like MJ and Hakeem, there is no need for larry bird.Pippen hit big shots when called upon, but the bulls would have to have been retarded to not give the ball to michael jordan with the clock running down.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ Jul 18 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually defense tends to be the major problem on most dream teams as in internation ball you need great man-defenders. Bird wouldnt be a terrible pick but Pip would fit better. In a team with guys like MJ and Hakeem, there is no need for larry bird.Pippen hit big shots when called upon, but the bulls would have to have been retarded to not give the ball to michael jordan with the clock running down.</div>No no no, when I am saying dream teams, I mean fantasy teams we are making up. There was only 1 actual real life Dream Team. My team with MJ, Duncan and Hakeem would have more than enough defense. Bird was a good team defender, and Magic's height would make smaller PG's hard to shoot over him (and with Duncan and Hakeem backing him up, those players beating Magic off the dribble wouldn't hurt).Pippen choked many times throughout his career. Off the top of my head, remember the migraine game against the Pistons in game 7 of the ECF? He went like 1-10. Even if you don't conside rhim a choker, I'd rather Bird be the person Jordan kicks out to for a 3 if he is doubled with 2 seconds to go.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 18 2007, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually you are wrong. When Wilt and MJ scored 37PPG, Wilt did it on 32FGA to MJ's 27FGA. MJ also shot as good or a better % than Wilt during their respective best years as scorers. MJ was a more talented scorer than Wilt, had more heart than Wilt ever had, is arguably the most clutch player to ever play the game, better defensive player, etc... There are many, many reasons why people put MJ over Wilt.</div>Thats just one year. They both averaged 30.1 on their careers, and Michael shot more fg's. Thats just because Michael played 1 more year. Wilt still shot better from the field. .537 vs. .497. I think its safe to say Wilt was the better scorer, but MJ was the far better shooter.
