Notice NBPA explores next step toward potentially boycotting games

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  1. Lanny

    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    So you Notta Good Dude and Bad Man both!
    Yeah my life has been much better when i settled down for sure.
     
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    Someone had to speak a little sense among the sea of Don Lemons and Rachel Maddows in this thread.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    IMO--yes, the cop needs to wait until he's absolutely certain without even a shadow of a doubt that the person has a deadly weapon and is attempting to use it. Suspicion of a possibility of reaching for "something" is absolutely insufficient.

    Yes, that makes the police officer's job more difficult and dangerous. That's part of what they signed up for.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    You have an interesting definition of the word "sense".
     
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    Good definition, or statement. I just am still a bit gray. It seems the only solution is to disarm officers and let them be susceptible to the violence many suspects will instill when known they cant be shot.

    I see this have a larger swing than possibly intended to the point where a decade from now, we may see a HUGE rise in officers being killed or injured by suspects who then get away. I don't think that will last.

    It seems to me the only satisfactory answer is to let suspects do whatever they want until after they have shot and possibly killed a cop, because we tied the cops hands behind their back and didn't allow them the freedom to make a judgement call in a split second that their life may depend on.

    The issue I have with this is suspects don't have a code like this, so inevitably if your statement is followed 100%, I see a complete pendulum swing and that wont fly either. To me it seems there needs to be a compromise here where the cops have a line of justification that allows them to protect themselves.
     
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    Seems like you're going to the extreme to make a point, but it seems like spurious logic. Yes there are some who want to disarm officers completely--I don't support that at all. Nobody wants to "let suspects do whatever they want", but we also shouldn't allow a cop's fear to trump a suspect's life. Cops should be allowed to protect themselves, defend themselves, but they should not be the aggressors.

    Cops absolutely get to make judgment calls, but they should not be free from recrimination when their calls are based on faulty judgment. The burden of proof on the officer to justify deadly force needs to be much, much higher than it has been historically.
     
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    So after a scuffle and after trying a taser and after the suspect defying and doing the opposite of the demands, you dont think its a credible threat to the cops life when he is reaching for something?

    i know proof is required for the courts, but to me, its completely rational to think he is going for a gun and if im the cop, im thinking, “ if i let him get a finger on a trigger i might be dead”
    So when it comes to cops who are striving for a non lethal solution, as evidenceD by first trying the taser and then not shooting him at first, (keep in mind after a scuffle where he was already resisting), i see it as rational, to think its him or the suspect at that moment and if I'm the cop, or anyone for that matter, its gonna be him. Not me.
    Its innate survival instincts.
     
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    i saw a vid this morning with the cops after a guy, guy then shot himself, and people around him were yelling 'we saw the cops shoot him', the off go people trashing Target or whatever cause of that - everything is so broken everywhere.

    all the facts matter, people do exactly what media does, report shit without the full story and inject their own inaccurate assumptions n bs as 'fact'. everything is instigative.

    sad to see.
     
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    You did indeed speak very little sense.
     
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    today in Washington DC....hardly looters and arsonists from what I see....if you think that's what BLM is it's not...this is BLM..
    blm crowd in DC.jpg
     
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    Yeah this is a bit of a tough issue all around.
    Here is something that i saw in Korea. The police there do not carry guns. They don't drive cars much.
    When they are at a speed trap they literally stand on the side of the road and point at the driver. The driver then pulls over and rolls back to the officer. Gets his ticket and carries on. In England the police do not carry guns either. They carry Tasers and batons for the most part. They also do not chase perps. The Radio is faster they say. In both countries they have back up units that are armed and very very qualified to the point that they are basically swat teams on steroids.
    I'm thinking the US will eventually go to this. Might take another 20 years but it's what i am seeing.
     
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    i think the big difference may be though is percentage of civilians owning guns? What percent of Americans own guns vs what percent of Korea or England?

    im pretty sure the difference is quite significant. Its much easier to deweaponize a police force when the civilians are already unarmed.
    Im just not sure i see that happening in a country with so many guns already on the streets.
    Its kind of like asking cops to take a knife to a gun fight.
    My other fear is this will actually draw lesser qualified and stable people to recruitments than better recruits.
    Yes training should be overhauled, but i don't see any decent person wanting to be a cop now that people want their hands tied behind their backs.
    Dont get me wrong. Im for alot of change also, but i think the initial desired effect will be opposite the outcome with regards to better recruits and qualified candidates.

    who in their right mind would want to be a cop now?
     
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    Hope you’re right. I guess we’ll see what happens.
     
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    When the president should be reassuring people and addressing this, he didn't, he called them thugs ...that's not going to help the situation. We need leadership in this country that is not obsessed with TV ratings and is actually concerned about social well being...Nov 3rd vote for change
     
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    Every NBA team will look to convert their arenas to voter locations for the 2020 election.
     
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