Trade Ideas Thread

Agreed that it's very unlikely. But apparently all the chatter in the bubble is that he's going to end up in Miami or Toronto. If Milwaukee are hearing that, why not try to get something for him? Of course they'd prefer to add a star, but it's pretty hard to do that in a small market, as we know.

[Although, having said that, one Hail Mary the Bucks could try is trading for Chris Paul. That's a very real possibility.]

 

This is confusing. If it's not enough, then it won't happen, so the talent won't be "zapped".

Who's the "you"? The only single player that the Blazers have that could tempt the Bucks is Dame.

Depends, doesn't it? New Orleans didn't take that risk with AD.

 

I'll throw in my Giannis proposal - CJ, Zach and Trent Jr. for Giannis and R. Lopez (we'd have to throw in some picks too I'm sure)
It's not too far from what LA offered NOP - Ball, Ingraham and Hart, along with picks for AD

 

CJ and Collins for Bradley Beal?

 

Why would we trade CJ for the exact same player? Beal is a couple years younger, that's about it. I'll keep CJ.

 

You're kidding right? Beal is better than CJ by almost every measurable category. Washington would laugh us off the phone.

 

I thought the exact same thing. But I just did a comparison of the two on Basketball Reference and their stats are almost identical. CJ actually is a higher percentage shooter from 2, from 3, and from the line.

Shocked me.

Defensively they rated nearly identically, too.

 

Are you just looking at raw stats? Because Beal's advanced stats are all superior across the board.

And this is without even considering the defensive side of the ball.

Here is Beal at age 26 last year vs CJ at age 25:

https://stathead.com/tiny/oaNf8

This is actually being extremely kind to CJ because it's his best season by far.

 

I wasn't as focused on what you'd call the advance stats. It surprises me that there's that much of a difference there, because the raw stats are so close.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm...cCollum&player_id2=mccolcj01&idx=bbr__players

 

last season, CJ 28, Beal 26:

PER: Beal 23.2....CJ 17.0
TS: Beal .579....CJ .541
FT Rate: Beal .351....CJ .136
assist rate: Beal 29.5%....CJ 19.1%
winshare/48: Beal 0.118....CJ o.o77
BoxPM: Beal 2.9....CJ 0.5

now, Beal had a higher usage rate and more FGA's. Of course, that made Beal the focus of opposing defenses, much like Dame. CJ gets to draft off Dame's wake. But those impact stats clearly show Beal with a big advantage

 

You're also looking at career numbers. Beal is obviously not the same player he was when he came into the league, same with CJ. Do a comparison of the last few seasons.

 

They are incredibly similar. CJ's stats would also be better if he was the primary option, which Beal has been for the past 18 months.

CJ won us a playoff series. Again, I'm rolling with CJ.

 

Yeah they’re pretty similar. I will say that Beal is better, not by much though. With that being said on this team they would pretty much be the same. They both would be stuck playing second option to a hall of fame PG right in the middle of his prime. For that reason I would not trade CJ for Beal, the team wouldn’t improve a whole lot anywhere if there even any

 

We need someone like Crowder so much. He has some good years ahead of him as well unlike Ariza. What's the max we can offer him? MLE?

 

Word is, Oladipo might not be too happy in Indiana. Would a Dipo + Doug McDermott trade for CJ make sense in such a case? Secondary creator and wing defender and a plus shooter with some size.

A trade target which intruiges me is Chandler Hutchinson. Not a great player by any means but could be a low cost, good fit.

I'd alos look into signing names like Shaq Harrison and Kris Dunn.

One of my favorite underrated fits this free agency is Kenrich Williams. Defense, size and unfortunately not much shooting.

Draft pick at #16: Patrick Williams. If Williams is gone, trade down and grab Josh Green.
#46, if he's there: Paul Reed. Sign, since he'll probably go undrafted, Trevelin Queen. If not, I'd be happy to obtain a low 2nd to grab him. Good cultural fit and skillwise as well.

I wouldnt mind seeing if we'd be able to get a good upgrade if we'd trade a Zach Collins + Ant Simons package.

 

I never said they were the same player or that C.J. was as good as Beal. I said I was surprised that their numbers were so close.

Good lord. Some of you guys hate CJ so much that even if someone makes a casual observation that makes him look decent it becomes the Spanish Inquisition.

 

Nobody should have to expect the Spanish Inquisition.

 

Btw, ATL probably will want to create capspace to resign John Collins. That means they could free up a lot by releasing Dedmon (theyd have 1M left on the books in that case). This could be a good opportunity for us. Post defense, rebounding and long range shooting (although his 3pt shooting fell off a cliff last year) at what should be a reasonable price.

 

CJ, Zach and a couple of first rounders though... that might get the job done, would be good for us and get them more quality players and a different look. I do think there are better trades out there for them if they are looking to move on from Beal and there also might be better trades for us if we decide to move on from CJ and make the majority of our roster available.