Trade Ideas Thread

Probably something like the below. makes sense for the Bucks and unfortunately for Oklahoma I think only the Bucks will care about getting Chris Paul and his 41.3M. So they cannot do better than that. Hill and Bledsoe can be traded away.

 

You're probably right about this, but I don't imagine the Thunder want to take the risk that they'd have to keep Bledsoe. To avoid it they'd have to do something like:


I think Bledsoe becomes more valuable to the Bucks when they get Paul, just as Schröder's game got better playing alongside CP3. They might not want to lose BOTH Lopezes though, although whoever replaces Budenholzer might play more of a Giannis-and-a-lot-of-short-people smallball lineup.

 

I think the Blazers should
1) make a better offer for CP3 so the Bucks can't get him
2) renege on that offer when the Bucks decide they have to trade Giannis because they can't keep him happy and trade for Giannis.

 

CP would make perfect sense in Philly. As would CJ. A CP-McCollum-Embiid trio would be a contender in the east.

I'm thinking of something along the lines of. Is there some way we can manage this? I'm unclear on the new CBA's stance on poison pill BYE contracts.

CP+CJ --> Philly
Simmons + Harris or Horford contracts --> Portland
Salary + picks + youngins --> OKC

we'd be all in with massive contracts.

 

No way Philly gives up Simmons for a 35 year old PG, even if he comes with CJ. I think you're right that Philly might be Milwaukee's competition for Paul, but I'm not sure what they could offer to tempt OKC, given that OKC is not going to offload one massive contract for another.

 

Even if they're incentivized with unloading one of the worst current contracts in the league in Harris/Horford?

 

I could see them possibly doing it. Simmons has injury concerns.

I'm not sure I would trade for Simmons from the Blazers side. Certainly I wouldn't trade for CP3.

 

Could you imagine Jimmy Butler with us?

 

Btw. Bucks are gonna trade Bledsoe and want CP. Thunder would probably want to deal CP, but shouldnt be interested in Bledsoe. Bledsoe could be a good fit for us. Defender with good size and wingspan. Contract isnt too crazy. Could we get 'in' and get Bledsoe?

 

The only way you even have a chance is if you involve Nurk.

CJ
Nurk
Collins
Simons
A million draft picks.

for

Giannis
Hill
Lopez

Try to re-sign Whiteside/Melo/Ariza.

Milwaukee has a lineup of:

Bledsoe
CJ
Middleton
Collins
Nurk

We have a lineup of:

Dame
GTJ
Ariza
Giannis
Whiteside

With Melo, Hill, Lopez off the bench.

 

You're talking about Giannis, I'm talking about Bledsoe. Third team involved could be us if OKC doesn't want to take on long term money. Not sure how to make that work.

Giannis is never happening.

 

This offseason could be hella interesting

 

It all depends on him. If he wants out, they would be stupid not to trade him. They need to be careful not to get LaMarcus'd.

 

Not sure those contracts are much worse than CJ's. I have CJ as better, but not by much.

 

Well in the below trade we can offer Ariza for Bledsoe i believe. OKC clears even more salary and Ariza is tradeable for contenders.

 

o'lshey drafted bledsoe for clippers.

 

Not a bad idea....

How about something like this:


Bucks:
Bledsoe + Ilysasova + Hill + Pick #24 => CP3

Bucks trade the least they can to match salaries to get CP3. I'm iffy on whether the #24 pick needs to be included, as they are taking on a lot of salary for the '21-'22 season.

Knicks:
Randle + Knox + Pick #8 => CJ

Knicks get their 'franchise' player in CJ to help accelerate their rebuild.

Thunder:
CP3 => Randle + Hill + Pick #24

Thunder do this for salary purposes. For the '21-'22 season, Randle's contract is guaranteed for $4M while Hill's is only $1.3M. They save almost $13M next season and almost $40M the following to help in their rebuild.

Portland:
CJ => Bledsoe + Ilysasova + Knox + Pick #8

Bledsoe replaces CJ at half of the cost. Offensive production may go down slightly, but defensively significantly improved. Ilvsasova is just a salary filler who can help open up the floor at PF. Portland really does this trade for the #8 and Knox. I still think Knox has a lot of untapped potential as a 3 & D sniper that was hidden in NY due to the mess that organization is. I also really like the idea of getting into that mid-lottery area. I love the idea of Haliburton or Vassell (or maybe Okongwu) on the Blazers.

After the trade and drafting Haliburton (#8) and Jalen Smith/Tyler Bey (#16) - Portland would have 2 roster spots open. After signing Gabriel (minimum) and Cousins (~2yr @ $4M/yr using part of the MLE) to contracts, the roster would look like this:

Dame, (Bledsoe), Haliburton, Simons
Bledsoe, Trent, Hood
Ariza, Knox, Little
Collins, Ilvsasova, Gabriel, Smith
Nurk, Cousins, (Collins)

Still a little weak at the SF and PF positions, but much improved defensively and with a lot of positional, financial, and trade flexibility moving forward. We could also open up a max FA roster spot in '21.

 

CJ a slightly better player averaging $32.3M/yr (over the next 4)

compared to
Harris averaging $37.2M/yr (over the next 4)

Neither one is a good contract, but the Harris contract is 15% more for a slightly worse player.

 

I'd argue they're similar players. You need the right team to be able to compensate for CJ defensively, whereas Harris can probably fit on any team defensively. You're sacrificing offense for defense. The contract amounts is why I have CJ as better, but not by much.

 

I think Harris is actually slightly better and plays a more valuable position. But it's really debatable and a trade like that would be lateral for Portland and throttle flexibility even worse than their already bad situation

since I don't think you can trade CJ for a better player but rather for a better fit...maybe....I think an important ingredient of a CJ trade is some cap relief improving flexibility. Trading CJ for Tobias Harris or Khris Middleton may be lateral or a little bit of an upgrade but it doesn't alter the team's trajectory or put them on a different path to contending. Just more of the same cul-de-sac one driveway down