Trade Ideas Thread

For a “win now” trade, I’m liking:

CJ + Collins + Simons
to NOLA for:
Jrue Holiday and JJ Reddick + good pick

then we focus upon a forward - how about

Ariza + Trade exception + our #1 (selection 16) for Aaron Gordon

Guards:
Dame + JJ Reddick + vet
Jrue + Gary T

Forwards:
Hood + Little + Hoard
Gordon + Melo + Gabriel
(try luring a vet swing forward tough guy)

Bigs:
Nurkic + Whiteside

 

I was thinking outside the box. I'm sure it's not going to happen but switching one star for another... You know, it just basketball.

From net: "For the second straight game without his backcourt partner running the show, McCollum struck an impressive balance between facilitator and his more typical fearless shotmaker. In two games with Lillard out of the lineup, McCollum is averaging 34.0 PTS, 7.5 reb, 11.0 as."

"In the six games, he averaged 33.3 points, 8.3 assists and 5.3 rebounds, numbers that exceed Lillard’s season averages (28.7 points, 7.7 assists and 4.2 rebounds). McCollum shot 48.4 percent from the field and 40.6 percent on 3-point shots"

 

I dont see why these are related. A decision on Ariza is likely made prior to training camp. Hoods productivity won't be known until well into the season. There is also plenty of room for both to get minutes if they provide value on the court.

I suspect Hood won't provide value beyond a rotational player any longer.

Ariza may not be on the roster for legal, PR, salary, trade, etc reason's.

 

Even that's a massive overpay. Why in the world would we want a PF who shoots 43% from the field, 30% from 3, who's an average to below-average defender, and who would be even worse in a slow-paced offense?

 

Didn't Ariza waive his final year prior to the trade? I'll have to see if I can find it.

 

Ariza is training in Turkey btw

 

No, his final year (2020-21) is mostly unguaranteed which is a Blazers option.

 

Dafuq why

 

You and I both know that when players, not all but most of them, come here they improve their 3 point shooting. First example is Al Farouq Aminu, who before he came to Portland was essentially a 27% 3 point shooter, but during his time in Portland he became a 35% 3 point shooter. Second example Mo Harkless, he was a 30.9% 3 point shooter but over the course of his time in Portland became a 33% 3 point shooter, he even had a season where he shot 41.5%. Carmelo Anthony had his best 3 point shooting since 2013/14 season. You get the idea, Dame and cj are so good that they open up shots for others. Aaron Gordon last season shot nearly 35%, so I truly believe that he would improve as a shooter here. His form look better that Harkless and Aminu. And his defense at PF is better than anything we had this season. At the end an expiring, 16th (what rookies is gonna make an immediate impact anyway), and possibly another young player is a fair deal. And he got a great chance to become our answer at the 4!

 

Maybe cause he actually enjoys basketball?

Ariza was actually pretty productive for someone who is 34. Basically the same player he's been since age 29:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/arizatr01.html

Most NBA players cannot stay productive in the mid-thirties, especially role players, so there's definitely work that goes along with that.

 

I'm baffled about why in Istanbul. Not why he's working out.

 

Maybe he's a fan of They Might Be Giants?

 

he is still only 25 years old and during his 5 seasons in the nba, he has played for 5 different head coaches, with 2 of the seasons seeing the head coach fired during the season. not a stable environment for player development.the following chart is a comparison of his defensive stats to all defensive team players.

the next defensive stat is from the previos season, 2018-19 couldn't find this years.
One particular area Gordon improved in defensively this past season was guarding shooters when they flew around off-ball screens. Opponents combined to shoot 31 percent in these situations, nearly 12 percent lower than in 2017-18, when Gordon was guarding the shooter coming off a screen, which was the best mark in the NBA among players who defended at least 70 of these shot attempts.
seems better than advertised here defensively.
his offensive stats sited were down from his two previous campaigns, but here would be the 3 or more likely 4th option instead. two seasons before last his corner 3pt % were 37+40%. his usage rate is 21%. over a 2-1 assist ratio on 3.6 assists/game shows playmaking ability too. switch ability as he played extensively at SF in all but last year too. maybe the switch to full time PF negatively impacted his offense to account for the downturn.

 

ok....but you very well may be seeing correlations that don't exist

* Harkless was 22 entering his 4th season when he joined Portland. In his previous 3 season he attempted about 300 three's. In 3 seasons in Portland, he attempted over 500 three's, nearly doubling his volume over his first 3 seasons. That increase in percentage you noted could as easily been due to the natural progression of a young player while increasing a shot type

* Aminu was 25 entering his 6th season. But in his previous 5 seasons, he only attempted about 250 three's; then, in 4 years in Portland he attempted over 1300 three's. So, he went from averaging 50 attempts a year to 330. That could be the reason for improvement rather than the Blazer system or Dame/CJ

for Gordon, he wouldn't be young like Harkless, so there likely wouldn't be an upside shooting bump from that. And, he's been a volume three point shooter; he's shot over 1400 three's in his career and has averaged 300 attempts over the last 4 seasons. So he wouldn't have the increased volume factor working that very well may have been working for Aminu

Melo did shoot better than he has for several seasons, but I'd imagine if you backtracked thru the veteran additions like Steve Blake, Mo Williams, Arron Afflalo, Dorell Wright, Gerald Henderson, Nik Stauskas, Anthony Tolliver, Kent Bazemore you'd find a pretty mixed bag of correlations

don't misunderstand....I'm not saying that Gordon would not be a good addition. I'd be reluctant to see Portland pay a substantial price for him because he just doesn't impress me as the type of player that will alter the team's trajectory

 

If i had that much money i would travel around the world too. Istanbul is awesome and has great history and many attractions, for example the Bosporus bridge who seperates Europe from Asia or the Hagia Sophia Mosque, i'd love to visit the city because i love history

 

You made a very good point with the volume. I didn’t think about that part too much. Yeah he doesn’t necessarily change the trajectory of this team too much, at least not into a title contender status. But if he can find a consistent groove here then a package of him and CJ become very attractive to any team that has a superstar to trade

 

Could he be doing it for an endorsement or consulting? I mean to tweet that means to them it,s a big deal

 

Hezonja's shooting didnt improve. Turner's didnt. Bazemore's didn't. Mixed bag.

Harkless and Aminu were at that point in their careers where players make a jump. Harkless kept his shooting up after he left.

That's a myth. You dont trade for a bad 3pt shooter who cant defend and say "Well, he'll be a great shooter HERE". You know how many things I heard Hezonja was going to do well because he was HERE? How'd that turn out?

Saying he was a better defender at PF than anything we had this year isnt saying much at all.

Magic fans have been hoping he'd put it together for years. This is another classic case of "He'd do better here!"...

Even if he did improve, it's not worth giving up a 1st and a good 3 and D player for an average 3pt shooter and an average defender.

This fanbase horribly overrates Aaron Gordon. I have no idea why.

 

Where have I heard this before? For some reason, the names "Nik" and "Rio" come to mind.