OT Michael Jordan is starting a NASCAR team with Denny Hamlin and his first driver is Bubba Wallace.

My dad would have loved you! LOL.

 

I'm gonna let the dog just keep on barking. If you honestly want to have this conversation bark twice. If not roll over.
I will leave this tasty doggy treat for you to eat up.
https://www.american.edu/kogod/research/autoindex/2020-auto-index.cfm

Please note #34 on the list with it's total domestic content of 56.5 rating ZERO profit rating and Zero RD rating and it's 45% US material rating.
Then please scroll on down to the very last page entries 351-372 and notice the list of Toyota manufactured cars.
After that please don't tell me one of my favorite dogs actually sheds all over the seat of a Toyota.....

 

RPM is C-Grade equipment. JGR is A-grade. Just how it is. Ask anyone who really pays attention. RPM hasn't won a race this decade. JGR has won upwards of 100 (dont know the exact amount).

 

You obviously dont pay attention.

- Equipment means everything. Petty equipment sucks. On short tracks and superspeedway, where equipment differences are lessened, Bubba performs far better than on mile-nad-a-halves where equipment differences are exacerbated.
- I wouldnt be surprised if it would've been a breach of contract for Denny Hamlin to have ownership stake in a racing team that runs a different, competing manufacturing than the one Hamlin is signed to drive for.
- The Toyota alliance has more to do with receiving JGR-backing than anything else (which is top notch and has resulted in a single-car, JGR-backed championship). RPM doesnt have the resources to be able to back another team, they can barely keep theres in the top-25.

 

Dude?
Manufacturer Total Wins
Cup Wins
NSX Wins
Truck WinS

Chevrolet 69 39 21 9
Ford 22 16 4 2
Toyota 18 3 4 11
Buick 5 2 3 –
Dodge 5 2 0 3
Pontiac 5 1 4 –
Hudson 3 3 – –
Oldsmobile 3 1 2 –
Plymouth 1 1 – –

Not sure where you get your info?
Nothing about Chevy is C-Grade equipment. Even more so what on earth would make you thing Richard Petty would allow "C" grade equipment in his cars.
Now the one thing i will give you Toyota has won 3 of the last 4 with Ford winning one. However Chevy won 13 straight from 2003-2015.
Toyota got a hold of Jimmie Johnson, Martin Truex and Kyle Busch. They might win a couple more. The difference in equipment is so very slight. It's the team and the driver that wins a cup.
By the way Jimmie Johnson went to Chevy and is now with Hendrick Motorsports
Truex and Busch are still with Gibbs but the stable is too full. You can only hold onto that many drivers for a year or two and now you have Hamlin moving.

By the way watch out for keep an eye on Christopher Bell (Toyota) and Quinn Houff (Chevy) those two are my picks for the next 5-10 years.

 

I disagree here but i do understand the point. Obviously you must have great equipment. But for all the years i have watched it comes down to the team and the driver. You can have the best equipment and if your driver and team are out of sorts it falls apart very quickly.
Just my take on this.

 

Hey now Bones and I are having the best conversation we have had in years now. Don't mess this up dammit!
Both of us have been trying real hard and it's fucking working on everything we post! Basketball and now even Nascar. We are agreeing to disagree and making valid points.

I'm so stoked!

 

This i absolutely agree with!

I also think your very first comment-

Was dead on. This is about sponsors and money.

 

The quality of equipment isnt based off the manufacturer it's based off the team. Compare Joe Gibbs Racings wins in the past decade to Richard Petty Motorsports... I'll wait.

Quinn Houff? Only reason he has a Cup ride is because he brought on sponsorship. Hes been horrible.

Christopher Bell is already confirmed to be going to Gibbs next year to drive the #20, replacing Erik Jones.

Jimmie Johnson has NEVER driven a Toyota and has ALWAYS been with Hendrick Motorsports.

Denny Hamlin isnt moving, hes staying in the #11.

Cmon man.

 

Well that matters, "everything" is an over exaggeration but a guy like Bubba would be doing noticeably better in higher grade equipment. Hes gotten better every year and is still only in his mid-20s.

 

It's also about trying to be as competitive as possible. JGR is the best team to have backing you equipment wise, and name a better free agent driver than Bubba Wallace (other than Kyle Larson, who's already tied to the 48, but got released earlier this season for using a racial slur).

 

After reading my statement i can see why you responded like that but that was my point. They tried very hard to get him in a Toyota but it didn't work. He went to Hendrick Motorsports and has stayed with Chevy.

Honest question. Do you think he stays there if as this thread title states "He starts a team with Micheal Jordan and his driver is Bubba Wallace"?
Again that is my point here.

I don't understand how you would think the team makes the equipment? Absolutely the quality of the equipment is by who makes it and that is he Manufacturer. This conversation is and has always been about Toyota and Chevy and Ford and Dodge or whatever car you want it to be. I don't like Toyota. I personally don't feel Nascar should have ever let it become part of it at all. Just my feel and there is absolutely nothing anyone can say to change that.
The best teams and the greatest drivers have all drove Chevy for many many years. That is fact.

We'll see. He's from a town i spent a bit of time in so i'm pulling for him. He'll move up. At least i hope so?

He will be fun to watch also.

 

Probably should not poke this bear but will. I have been an A buyer since birth with both my grandfather and father working for GM. Have more than half the guys I went to grade school with that work in those plants. Let's just say quality is not on many of those guys mind and the reason I will probably never buy a new American car. I am very pro Union but they protect many dirt bags.

 

Toyota wasn't even IN NASCAR when Johnson went to Hendrick.

You act like Dale Earnhardt didnt own a multi-car race team of his own while racing for Richard Childress Racing.

Individual teams build their own chassis, among many other components. The equipment gap will be reduced when NASCAR switches to one single chassis manufacturer in 2022.

The defending champ and two-time champ Kyle Busch drives for Toyota. Toyota has won 3 of the past 5 championships. But again, the equipment gap is due to individual teams contracting their own cars, not getting them from a manufacturer.

Quinn made some terrible mistakes this year. He's also in D or F grade equipment. The next gen car should make a team like SPIRE Motorsports more competitive.

From a competitive move, MJ did the best thing he could do: get arguably the most talented FA driver outside of Larson, the driver that'll bring in the most sponsorship money as well, and put him in a car backed by JGR.

 

This fight has been going on for nearly 30 years. There is absolutely no way you will ever convince me Toyota belongs in Nascar.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...r-anniversary-overcoming-resistance/98376934/

 

I should just leave it at that also. But go ahead and read that Kogod report. Then read every one of them for the last 40 years.
Toyota absolutely is not helping this country.
Now i teach so remember i have been at this for a while. I used to say things like "When it all comes down and we are on our own we will all see what I'm talking about"

THEN IT ALL CAME DOWN!

Covid-19 reared it's ugly head and the country was grasping at ways to handle the issues it faced. The President had to invoke the "Defense Act". Yes this was about respirators and masks and medical gowns and medical equipment. He ordered Cheverolet GM and Ford Motor Co. to immediately start working to save this country.
We cannot tell Toyota to do anything. We cannot tell KIA to do anything. We cannot tell Nissan, Hyandai, Subaru, Isuzu or any other foreign company to help us.
He had to tell GM, Ford, Nike, Intel to help this country. If you are putting your money into other countries then you are not helping this country. I have been all over the world in the military and in personal travels. Go to any country in the world and they all buy the cars made in their country. In England it's the Cooper, Austin Martin, Land Rover. France Renault, Citroen, Peugeot. Germany VW, BMW, Audi, Porsche. Korea Hyandai, Kia. Japan Toyota and Nissan. Do i need to continue? They don't buy American made cars. They know they must support their country. Even more so if they do they are publicly disgraced for spending their money that way.

If this country is plunged into another world war? If this country truly becomes at odds with it's allies? If this country needs to build Ships, Tanks, Planes and Weapons. We will need to do it with the companies we have. GM, Ford, Tesla, Boeing, Nike, Intel, Microsoft, and the energy will have to come from within our Borders. Toyota is BUSTING not only the UAW but the Union of the United States.

Go ahead Buy your Toyota.....

 

I'm not even debating that I'm debating all your false statements.

 

Half of them are opinions and the others are completely debatable so False doesn't fit here man. It's NASCAR not science. As i said from the beginning he's gonna choose to drive a Toyota. You seem to have a problem with that assessment. That's completely fine with me.