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Tince said:
So many studies show the people that are often elite at doing something are below average at teaching/managing others to do that same thing.
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That's an interesting point. OTOH, there is no salary cap for coaches and nothing for the team to lose. It isn't like they will be firing some whizz-bang defensive coach to make room for him!
 
Buffalo Custard said:
That's an interesting point. OTOH, there is no salary cap for coaches and nothing for the team to lose. It isn't like they will be firing some whizz-bang defensive coach to make room for him!
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Agreed there is no salary cap from the NBA. Almost certainly there is a budget from Jody Allen. I'm not strongly against taking a risk on an unproven assistant coach. Which one would you want to get rid of to make room for GP?
 
Tince said:
Agreed there is no salary cap from the NBA. Almost certainly there is a budget from Jody Allen. I'm not strongly against taking a risk on an unproven assistant coach. Which one would you want to get rid of to make room for GP?
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I'm not qualified to answer that.
 
Not so long ago Gary said he couldn't play in today's game because they don't let you play physical defense.....that hasn't changed...also, if you've ever heard Payton talk...he's tough to understand in a quiet room let alone on the sidelines of a game...he talks like James Brown talks..I'd rather hire Chauncey Billups to coach defense with Stotts
 
Buffalo Custard said:
I'm not qualified to answer that.
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Go out on a limb...

I'd never be able to say anything if I waited to speak on things I'm qualifid to answer!

New ideas and (civil) disagreements make a great message board.
 
u guys gonna hate this, but damon is a great coach.....

He's turning the pac tigers around


2019-20 Pacific Head Coach 23-10 (11-5) -
2018-19 Pacific Head Coach 14-18 (4-12) -
2017-18 Pacific Head Coach 14-18 (9-9) -
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Coaching Experience
2016-Present: Pacific, Head Coach
2015-16: University of Memphis, Assistant Coach
2013-15:University Arizona, Assistant Coach
2011-13: University of Memphis, Assistant Coach
2009-11: Memphis Grizzlies, Assistant Coach
Pacific Highlights
  • 2019-20 West Coast Conference Coach of the Year
  • 2019-20 Ben Jobe National Coach of the Year
  • 5 All-WCC selections
  • 2 WCC Defensive Player of the Year awards
  • 2 WCC All-Academic honorees
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  • 12 of 13 seniors graduated during tenure
  • Highest team GPA in 10 years: 2.86 cumulative GPA in 2019-20
 
riverman said:
Not so long ago Gary said he couldn't play in today's game because they don't let you play physical defense.....that hasn't changed...also, if you've ever heard Payton talk...he's tough to understand in a quiet room let alone on the sidelines of a game...he talks like James Brown talks..I'd rather hire Chauncey Billups to coach defense with Stotts
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That's an interesting point. Even if he were able to share the tips/tricks from his defensive success, many of those things are illegal now.
 
BlayZa said:
u guys gonna hate this, but damon is a great coach.....

He's turning the pac tigers around


2019-20 Pacific Head Coach 23-10 (11-5) -
2018-19 Pacific Head Coach 14-18 (4-12) -
2017-18 Pacific Head Coach 14-18 (9-9) -
2016-17* Pacific Head Coach 5-22 (4-14) -

Coaching Experience
2016-Present: Pacific, Head Coach
2015-16: University of Memphis, Assistant Coach
2013-15:University Arizona, Assistant Coach
2011-13: University of Memphis, Assistant Coach
2009-11: Memphis Grizzlies, Assistant Coach
Pacific Highlights
  • 2019-20 West Coast Conference Coach of the Year
  • 2019-20 Ben Jobe National Coach of the Year
  • 5 All-WCC selections
  • 2 WCC Defensive Player of the Year awards
  • 2 WCC All-Academic honorees
  • 1 NABC All-District honoree
  • 12 of 13 seniors graduated during tenure
  • Highest team GPA in 10 years: 2.86 cumulative GPA in 2019-20
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I'm not going to knock Stoudamire and I would prefer him or Payton. Having said that, recruiting is a HUGE part in college coaching success. I would suspect, being a former NBA player helps Stoudamire recruit. I'd like to see him move up to a major conference team before I'd consider anything but a lower level assistant job.
 
Tince said:
Go out on a limb...

I'd never be able to say anything if I waited to speak on things I'm qualifid to answer!

New ideas and (civil) disagreements make a great message board.
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OK, I will show my ignorance here. Do the Blazers have an assistant specifically designated as "development coach"?
 
Tince said:
I'm not going to knock Stoudamire and I would prefer him or Payton. Having said that, recruiting is a HUGE part in college coaching success. I would suspect, being a former NBA player helps Stoudamire recruit. I'd like to see him move up to a major conference team before I'd consider anything but a lower level assistant job.
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yeah i think he's working his way up, the proper way. although he was an assistant at memphis grizz initially, i think he realised he needs to know more and started lower to achieve that.

recruiting is a good part of it, but its also a factor where people go where winners go.... many many top tier examples of that, the record is improving, its good to watch a decent post-nba career in the making.
 
riverman said:
Not so long ago Gary said he couldn't play in today's game because they don't let you play physical defense.....that hasn't changed...also, if you've ever heard Payton talk...he's tough to understand in a quiet room let alone on the sidelines of a game...he talks like James Brown talks..I'd rather hire Chauncey Billups to coach defense with Stotts
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I don't know if the voice is a good excuse not to give him a chance... Doc Rivers? Obviously if we could get Chauncey that would be preferable but he is already coaching in the league.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
OK, I will show my ignorance here. Do the Blazers have an assistant specifically designated as "development coach"?
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I don't know if Jannero Pargo is specifically assigned that, but he would be the first name I would pick. Jim Moran also has had a hand in development. Ideally, all the assistants have a role in player development, but that isn't always the case.
 
Tince said:
I don't know if Jannero Pargo is specifically assigned that, but he would be the first name I would pick. Jim Moran also has had a hand in development. Ideally, all the assistants have a role in player development, but that isn't always the case.
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Yim is officially listed as player development coach. (Google is an old fart's friend!) If someone had to go to make room for Payton, I would take a wild guess and say either him or Pargo.
 
riverman said:
... if you've ever heard Payton talk...he's tough to understand in a quiet room let alone on the sidelines of a game...he talks like James Brown talks..
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GP does not "talk like James Brown talks". Does he code switch into an hard to understand AAVE when surrounded by a group of brothas? Perhaps, I don't really know. Google "Gary Payton interview" The way you characterized his speech is absolutely not true.
 
Tince said:
I don't know if Jannero Pargo is specifically assigned that, but he would be the first name I would pick. Jim Moran also has had a hand in development. Ideally, all the assistants have a role in player development, but that isn't always the case.
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Id say Moran. And I do think, he will make a good head coach someday.
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
GP does not "talk like James Brown talks". Does he code switch into an hard to understand AAVE when surrounded by a group of brothas? Perhaps, I don't really know. Google "Gary Payton interview" The way you characterized his speech is absolutely not true.
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we disagree about this topic and I didn't mean it in a derogatory way, I've listened to Gary alot....I also added the tag....on the sidelines.or in a game..not in a quiet interview room....
 
riverman said:
Not so long ago Gary said he couldn't play in today's game because they don't let you play physical defense....
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This would be my concern. I always felt his defensive success was primarily predicated on his willingness and ability to get up close and personal with his defensive assignments, using his quickness and physicality to disrupt others' rhythm in a way that other players couldn't/wouldn't. With the way the game is called now, how applicable would his experience be to a modern player's situation?
 
I would be for this.

We need someone with some angst... edge. Even if he is just a moral boost to our defense. I think he could bring an edge the players cna feed off of. Zach has that edge. Nurk has it. Dame has it, but the whole team needs it if you ask me.

Id love to see GP as an asst.
 
Absolutely loved GP the player. Would not hire as a coach. Don't think he's type to take a back seat to Stotts or whoever is coaching. Not sure he would have patience coaching guys so much worse than him (except Lillard). One thing he would do is lead league in technicals for a coach. It would be fun, but don't think productive.
 
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