Most of them were bad calls, but Rockets still should have won the game. T-Mac clanked free throws at the end that I believe could have tied the game.Have you seen the complete phantom call they called for Dirk in game 2? I'll post it later, but it was worse than any phantom call Wade or LeBron has gotten. The defender (I think Ryan Bowen) had his hands straigh tup on a Dirk jumper and was like 2ft away from him.
That last one obviously shouldn't have been a foul, but I've seen Dwyane Wade get MUCH worse calls than that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 24 2007, 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That last one obviously shouldn't have been a foul, but I've seen Dwyane Wade get MUCH worse calls than that.</div>Which play? The one I posted?I do not like phantom calls (especially when it doesn't go both ways), but if you are driving into the lane and sell it, I can deal with it and understand. But a phantom foul on a jumpshot in which the defender has his hands straight up and is of considerable distance form the offensive player, it's ridiculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 24 2007, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I do not like phantom calls (especially when it doesn't go both ways), but if you are driving into the lane and sell it, I can deal with it and understand. But a phantom foul on a jumpshot in which the defender has his hands straight up and is of considerable distance form the offensive player, it's ridiculous.</div>I don't see the "considerable distance" you're talking about. I agree that it wasn't a foul, but there was definitely contact to some extent. I'm not talking about driving shots either, I've seen Wade get calls on jumpshots, too. I never said I was talking about Wade driving into the lane.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 24 2007, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see the "considerable distance" you're talking about. I agree that it wasn't a foul, but there was definitely contact to some extent. I'm not talking about driving shots either, I've seen Wade get calls on jumpshots, too. I never said I was talking about Wade driving into the lane.</div>Only contact was Dirk's knee hit Bowen's thigh, only because Dirk stuck out his leg. Definately not the 2ft I originally thought before seeing the video again, but definately a few inches.Wade doesn't really get fouled on jumpshots, it's always drives into the lane. And normally when he does there is some kind of contact, and while sometimes not deserving of free throws, there is still SOME contact intitiated by defender. That Dirk shot, the only contact whatsoever was Dirk's leg kick. Bowen wasn't running at him, his arms were completely vertically, he stayed pat...it was just a ridiculous call.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 24 2007, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Only contact was Dirk's knee hit Bowen's thigh, only because Dirk stuck out his leg. Definately not the 2ft I originally thought before seeing the video again, but definately a few inches.Wade doesn't really get fouled on jumpshots, it's always drives into the lane. And normally when he does there is some kind of contact, and while sometimes not deserving of free throws, there is still SOME contact intitiated by defender. That Dirk shot, the only contact whatsoever was Dirk's leg kick. Bowen wasn't running at him, his arms were completely vertically, he stayed pat...it was just a ridiculous call.</div>I didn't say it was a good call, but you and the announcers are making it out to be the wildest call of the century, which it isn't.You said it was worse than ANY call Wade has gotten. Unless jumping in the vicinity of a falling player is a foul, this is a far worse call. And yes, it's a jumper. I realize Wade gets a lot of drive calls, but you seem a little biased in this. Wade gets a lot of calls outside of drives. On this one, there's enough room between Wade and Daniels to fit Jesus H. Christ himself between them. You can't tell me these calls are not worse than the one you posted.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 24 2007, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Unless jumping in the vicinity of a falling player is a foul, this is a far worse call. And yes, it's a jumper.</div>Check out Terry's left forearm, it is on Wade as he is going for the shot, and Wade sells it picture perfectly as if Terry shoved him. Definately not deserving of a foul, but in real time it definately looks like one and there is contact. Wade just dramticized the F*ck out of it.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Wade gets a lot of calls outside of drives.</div>Mostly on spin moves or things like this: http://www.youtube.com/watchv=5y8nI1PPYOk&...ted&search=On jumpshots...not so much. Usually because of his driving ability defenders stay away from him on jumpshots. T-Mac and Kobe get far more calls on jumpshots...Bron too.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>On this one, there's enough room between Wade and Daniels to fit Jesus H. Christ himself between them. You can't tell me these calls are not worse than the one you posted.</div>Daniels got him on the arm before he went up for the shot, but yes again, not deserving of a foul. Wade sold it perfectly, and refs likely anticipated the call (which they do with most players that make a living off driving to the rim...GA and AI both get a crapload of similar calls).I understand that Wade gets a lot of calls, but he sells them, usually there is some form of contact, and it is almost always going to the rim. And again, refs anticipate the foul for players who drive a lot to the rim. I tend to shrug off most calls that guys like Wade or AI get, because they sell them and are usually going to the rim (or Bron's ridiculous travelling), thus making them hard to judge and you have to go either by sound or by how the player reacts (*cough* Anderson Varejao *cough*). But with the Dirk foul, it was a jumpshot with no contact by Bowen...his arms were straight up, he didn't jump, and he was more than a few inches from Dirk. I just feel that is a lot cheaper of a call than a guy like Wade gets.
It's impossible to tell if he even got touched on either play, and on the first one he didn't get the call for the tap on the arm from Terry, he got it from the RIDICULOUS FALL where no one touched him at all.Like I said, you're biased towards Wade. I've seen it dozens of threads, so I don't know why I'm even bothering talking about it with you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 24 2007, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's impossible to tell if he even got touched on either play, and on the first one he didn't get the call for the tap on the arm from Terry, he got it from the RIDICULOUS FALL where no one touched him at all.Like I said, you're biased towards Wade. I've seen it dozens of threads, so I don't know why I'm even bothering talking about it with you.</div>First play he was shooting the jumper, Terry had his forearm on him, and Wade played actor and sold the contact as if he was being tackled. It is a bad call, but in real time it is easy to see why it was called. The 2nd one was iffy, but again, if a player swipes at a guy's arm/the basketball, and the player with the ball doesn't release the ball, it usually is a foul. Again, bad call, but still understandable (although ridiculous in its own right, but it is a regular call in the NBA no matter the player).Why am I biased? I remember people calling me that when Wade said those things about Dirk and I agreed, and look at what happenned in this years playoffs. People called me biased when I said Wade is better than LeBron. Few months later everyone most were agreeing with me. People called me a hater when I stated why I thought the Mavs would fail yet again this year, and what happenned? I don't care if you think I am biased (although I do not prefer the tag), but you can't tell me those calls on Wade are worse than the Dirk foul. They were more impactful on the series, and certainly a larger quantity of them, but I am talking about the single Dirk foul. I have never seen Wade get a call like that. Hell, Dirk didn't even sell the foul, it isn't like it could even be percieved as a foul in real time.
