Politics Would abolishing the electoral college actually stimulate voting?

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  1. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    She literally lost to a clown. A clown which is going to lose to a pretty bad Dem candidate.

    She was a terrible candidate.
     
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    but she didn’t lose the popularity contest. She demolished him in a popularity contest

    he barely squeaked by in the electoral vote contest

    edit: I’m not arguing that she was a bad candidate. But it’s not true she wasn’t more popular.
     
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    She was incredibly unpopular. As a Democrat you generally have to be incredibly popular, with incredible momentum, and take nothing for granted to become president. She was none of that.

    In fact, her own friends mocked her penchant for hubris caused failure when talking about her abilities.

    She was a terrible candidate. "More popular than the orange idiot clown" is not a ringing endorsement... And it's not a good winning political strategy.
     
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    The electoral college is gerrymandering for the presidency. First order of democrats business should be to fix our voting system in on many levels. I would prefer they focus more on things like a national voting holiday and national mail in voting system like Oregon's. Those would be easier goals to obtain and would make a big difference.
     
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    Oh, I’m not sure that I’m right either. It’s just my sense, or maybe my wish, that this country is still pretty centrist in its overall orientation. Both parties have been dominated by loudmouths on the polar ends of the political spectrum, but I think that the majority of folks just want a well run country that offers a fair deal to its citizens. I don’t know what Biden will bring to the office because he’s been all over the place in his views over the years. I think the first party that realizes center is where success lies will do very well in the next election.

    But I may be wrong. ;)
     
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    none of that would happen with a repuglican Senate. We're probably headed for 4 years of gridlock because the same asinine un-democratic right-wing skew of the electoral college is in place for the Senate
     
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    The electoral college is like a playoff series, in that first to win 7 games wins! States EC are games. Doesn't matter who scored more points for the series. Im convinced the two party system wants to EC vote it that way, as they can make it tuff for other part candidates to get equal platforms, thus splitting the pie two ways rather than multiple.
    If we went to popular vote then you could do away with parties and open it up to more general election candidates with equal platforms with media/debates.
    Having more general election candidates eg: AOC rep progressives, Shumer representing dem's, Rubio repubs, & Libertarian candidate, than the two party hate each other would be diluted substantially, imo. And you could theoretically win with min of 26%.
    Do away with parties and open it up with popular vote.
     
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    they need to review and change the number of electoral votes the states currently have if they don’t want to change it
     
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    Nature will change the electoral college.....blue state voters houses have burned down in the west....they'll be relocating to Wyoming, Montana and Idaho and Texas...just watch
     
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    Yea I know. Maybe 2 years of division. I haven't looked at the 22 mid term potential numbers but I expect a 2 year battle to each party blaming each other for not getting anything done. Probably depends on who wins that narrative.
     
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    and leave all the radicle progressives in Oregon, Wa & Ca. The democratic party needs to split if then want to pick up more house & senate seats. Man Dem voters wont endorse, defunding police, green deal open borders.
     
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    open borders? *face palm*
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Eh, I agree that she beat his ass in the popular, but he had quite a few more EC votes than her. He had 305 and she had 227.
     
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    by thousands of votes
     
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    The numbers are spelled out in the Constitution. You can't change it without an amendment and that isn't going to happen. The National Popular Vote Initiative is the most likely thing that could provide an end-around to the EC: https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation

    Seems like a banana republic kind of move to circumvent the Constitution like that, but it may be legal since the method of selecting the electors is left to the individual states in the Constitution. It would undoubtedly go the the Supreme Court because the less populous states would scream bloody murder to lose their clout. I suspect it would implode the first time a Republican managed to win the popular vote and all of those Democrat states had to give their electoral votes to the Republican candidate.
     
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    No. Have you ever worked on a construction site or in an office?
    Does doing yard work from 7 am to 8 pm without breakfast or a lunch break on Saturdays and Sundays count as field work?
     
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    Exactly.

    Yes I've worked construction, farming, landscaping. But for the past 11 years in the city/office/tech.
     
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    If enough legislators overruled the voters' choice and there were no capitulation by those of the voters' choice then the decision would be decided by Congress, if they couldn't agree then it Speaker Pelosi would assume the role of President. Therefor I'm going to assume that the legislators would either keep out of it or the Republican Senate would concur that Biden was our President. I just can't see Republicans wanting Nancy Pelosi as our President.
     

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