Science THE BIG JAB!

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How soon will you get a Covid-19 vaccine once it's (they) are available?

  1. As soon as possible.

    20.8%
  2. Not until enough other "guinea pigs" have had it and shown it's safe.

    45.8%
  3. At least not until the Biden Administration takes over and the Trumpies are gone.

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    0.0%
  4. NEVER! VACCINES! NEEDLES! OMG!!

    0 vote(s)
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  5. When my doctor says it's safe for me.

    33.3%
  1. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    So, what are you thinking about the vaccine?
     
  2. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    After Trump is gone and after it is shown that it works and is safe
     
  3. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I added a response to the poll.

    I have a very good doctor and I trust him. I will wait until he says it's safe and appropriate for me.
     
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  4. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    That will play a part too
     
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    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    I have a feeling the mRNA vaccines will end up causing cancer. Haven't looked into it much, but the gut feeling is that the real effects will take years to surface (which is why drug development takes years instead of "fast tracked" in 9 months).

    This isn't simply a weakened virus. It changes your cells and how they work I believe.

    I do a semi regular zoom call with friends and none of the docs that were on the call have any intention of taking the vaccine for a long time, and they deal with COVID patients (GP and Cardiologist).
     
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    As soon as possible, but I assume that I will be eligible for it down the road. It will not be available before the Biden administration - and I trust that administration to prioritize it properly - which means that first responders, people at higher risk categories etc... will get it well before I do - so my guess is that as soon as possible for me will be well down the line - and in the unlikely event of undetected side-effects from the trials - it will already be known and found.
     
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    what could be wild is if we have 2, 3, or 4 competing vaccines. I doubt you could triple up
     
  9. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    Still waiting for Pfizer's "90%" claim to be verified by others.
    ...like I mentioned earlier it would be great if it is in fact 90% effective but to me it seems a bit optimistic considering that flu shots are considered good if they are 50-60% effective...just saying.
     
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    It doesn't change your cells, but it does cause them to produce a protein that then stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies against the virus. The virus itself invades your cells and forces them to create replicas of the virus.

    "To produce an mRNA vaccine, scientists produce a synthetic version of the mRNA that a virus uses to build its infectious proteins. This mRNA is delivered into the human body, whose cells read it as instructions to build that viral protein, and therefore create some of the virus’s molecules themselves. These proteins are solitary, so they do not assemble to form a virus. The immune system then detects these viral proteins and starts to produce a defensive response to them."

    https://horizon-magazine.eu/article/five-things-you-need-know-about-mrna-vaccines.html
     
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    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    That's another consideration...I mean, how do we know that there won't be adverse reactions by taking different vaccines?
     
  12. illmatic99

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    I might be able to help clarify the pfizer results for those who don't understand, since i work in the industry.

    44000 people were selected (volunteers).

    about half were given the placebo. the others were given the vaccine.

    94 people in the entire study tested positive.

    ~85 of those people who tested positive were from the placebo group. ~9 were from the vaccine group.

    The trial will be over when the number of people testing positive reaches 162, so about 68 more people. This is enough for them to claim statistical significance that the vaccine is effective (or not). So if a bunch of people from the vaccine cohort test positive, it reduces the effectiveness. I think the current threshold for approval from the FDA is about 50%.

    The reasons to trust it:
    - As part of a double blind, no one knows who is part of each group (vaccine vs placebo); only an independent third party. Even the people who volunteered don't know what cohort they are part of.
    - The timeline for release of these results is entirely dependent on when people start testing positive. So there's not political motivators or incentives.
    - ANY adverse effects have to be revealed (again, by the independent third party). And the safety part of these clinical trials have already been conducted. This massive phase 3 sample size also helps inform that.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I have a gut feeling that using your gut feelings to decide whether to take a vaccine will cause your testicles to fall off. So I'm not going to do that.

    barfo
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Any of the guys on your Zoom call the mayor of Nashville? #BAM
     
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    I'm almost 70, and I'm about 6'3...so if they do fall off it will only be a 4 inch drop
     
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    FUCK!
     
  19. barfo

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    ARE BLACK PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE VACCINE?

    BARFO
     
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  20. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    smh.
     
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