Trade Ideas Thread

I disagree. Completely. There's a reason why our team stalled every time Dame was off the floor.

CJ goes 1 on 4 constantly.
Melo is a ball stopper.
Kanter is a ball stopper.
GTJ is a ball stopper.

None of these guys look to pass. Giles is probably the best passer on the bench right now.

 

When has CJ ever refused to play PG?

 

playing the position of pg and playing like a pg are two different things imo.

 

Have you seen his numbers when Dame was out last year? I believe he averaged over 30 points and dished out over 8 assists. What affordable back up PG is capable of averaging that if pressed into the starting lineup. For 15 mpg that's more than adequate I would say.

 

yes we know he can do that as a starter when dame is out.
But how are his assists when running pg with the second unit? When Dame is also playing in the game?

 

With that particular lineup, I guess we don't really need a "true" PG....we just need a lot of movement.
Granted there will be no penetration-kick outs like with Dame, but it still can be a pretty good offensive lineup.

 

His minutes are about 12 mpg at pg. Not really an issue IMO. Plus, when has CJ ever been able to play PG on this team with the talent we have now. Last year the bench often consisted of guys like Hezonja, Tolliver etc.

 

We don't need him to score on the second unit. We need him to run the offense. We have a ton of scorers on the bench. What we don't need is a bunch of standing around while CJ or Melo pound the ball through the floor.

 

wut are you going on about???

I explicitly said I wasn't advocating for using the MLE this year on a backup PG.

and the narrative about a 3rd string PG has nothing to do with me. I've never advocated that kind of addition as important. We've already seen that those kinds of PG's are marginal additions, at best....Eric Maynor, Earl Watson, Ronnie Price, Brian Roberts, Wade Baldwin...those guys don't help much at all and they don't really add any wins. A 3rd string PG is not a backup PG in my view. They aren't rotational players.

there can be players like Napier and Seth Curry who can be effective, but those two aren't really PG's as much as small SG's

the Blazers have had two backup PG's in Dame's era: Mo Williams and Steve Blake. And in Blake's case, he started off playing his role really well but seemed to run out of gas about 60 games into the season. He made a difference till about the all-star break, but that Blazer team just seem to totally deflate with the injuries to Matthews and Lopez

but in past seasons, I think a quality backup PG would have been very valuable for Portland. And by quality I mean guys like Rondo (who has played for 3.3M or less in 3 of the last 4 seasons; and signed for 7.5m/year this off season, 2 million below the MLE); George Hill (probably out of Portland's price range); Derrick Rose; DJ Augustine; Cory Joseph. Players who earn playing time with their production and efficiency rather than part-time situational plug-ins. PG's who when Dame is doubled or tripled can receive Dame's outlet pass and actually run the offense consistently enough to break down a defense. Portland hasn't had that for 6 years

I know people are really high on Jones right now and maybe they have reason to be. Maybe that will end up the best use of the MLE. But with Covington, Melo, Hood, Trent, and Little to plug into the Jones slot on wing, I think a case could be made that in a 'win-now' mode, using the MLE on Rondo might have ended up as good a use of the MLE. I'm fine with Jones, but I'd have been just as fine with Rondo

 

All your complaints about backup PG could be made in the same manner for a STARTING forward the last 6 years. We haven't had a legit starting forward since LaMarcus or Batum were here. Nurkic has 1 playoff win in his career since he's always hurt. So backup C is also more important along with starting and backup forwards.

Sure it would be great it the Blazers could develop an allstar roster two deep at every position. That's not how the NBA works. There is scarcity of resources. Players aren't happy with roles.

Since the Blazers have Dame at PG and CJ on the roster they should throw all of their assets at other positional holes. If they hit on one of these acquisitions to be a good 25mpg player at least they can share the court in the playoffs with DameCJ. Rondo would be reduced to 8mpg stretches in the playoffs.

Its stupid to suggest a backup/3rd string PG would take priority over starting/role players.

A team with DameCJ has literally the least need for a backup PG of any team in the NBA.

 

and we have played two games with limited time of CJ running the point this year as he has only played about 30+ plus minutes and the majority have been at shooting guard. It seems so many in here are quick to complain and show little patience as this is one of the best teams we have had in awhile and with the inclusion of many new players it will likely take a few weeks to gel together.

 

not sure what you are debating?

isnt that basically the premise? Will he now play more of a pg role with the second unit? He bow has the talent around him, question is will he change his game?

is it not a valid question to ask?

seems like we are about to go in circles and i stopped attending square dances in jr high.

 

actually it seems like many are making statements or asking questions about how cj will fit now or what he will do or shouldnt do aNd you are calling it complaining...

 

Like I said, we are talking about 12-15 minutes per game and CJ can handle the role just fine and likely better than any cheap pg available.

I never attended square dances and likely I am much older than you.

 

Asking questions for what? The only worthwhile answer is letting it play out. It's not like we are 3 months into the season and struggling. We just started so if you need an answer then expect nothing but premature speculation.

Patience grasshoper.

 

wait....I think it's been obvious that Olshey planned on Zach being the starting PF; and Portland traded for Covington before using their MLE while obviously having the intention to re-sign Hood and Melo; and this is all when Trent & Little are on the bench

so I'd say your assumption that the needs for a starting SF is somehow exponentially greater than the need for another guy who can actually run an offense better than CJ (which is not a tall order at all) is unfounded. I think that's especially true because we don't have any clear indication yet that Jones is the solution for that starting forward role. Maybe he'll end up better than Batum. But just maybe he'll end up as flawed as Harkless. I mean, for chrissakes, we had lots of people penciling in Layman at the SFOTF after a few dozen regular season games and here you are, doing the same for Jones after 2 exhibition games

 

12-15 minutes a game is a quarter of the game or more. I think its a valid question to ask if our second unit will be standing around for 12-15 minutes a game, is it not?

scroll through the thread. Im on the let it bake side.
With that said, it seems you are missing the point of a discussion forum.
If you don't care for the discussion because you disagree that's your right.
But its also the right of others to pose such questions and discuss them.

 

And where and from who do you expect to get the answer from in this forum?

Look I'm not telling you how and what to post, so please don't tell me, okay?

 

sometimes answers never come. Should we not discuss?
And actually its been you telling others its not worth discussing.
The mirror is in the bathroom.
Its been you questioning others discussing this. Acting as though it isn't an issue snd shouldn't be discussed...

says you....