https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_ratings.html 7th in offense 29th in defense. bruh the goal during the CJ/Nurk absences is to stay afloat by going .500 or so. Hard to sustain even that with this kinda defense.
Bump http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/order/false Still 28th. Probably 29th after tonight.
Defense shouldn't rely so heavily on personnel. I mean even if we had Kawhi he wouldn't take us from 30th to 15th in Defensive Rating. We just have to accept Stotts is useless on that end. This will never be fixed.
And yet no matter the scenario, they are still left with such a bad ranking. It wasn't any better when they were all healthy....well, maybe by 1 or 2 spots. Nothing to brag about. So if healthy, not healthy, injured, different rotations, players, over a number of seasons, don't make much difference, then what is the issue?
So why after bringing in defensive specialists we are still shit? Why NY Knicks is so high on def rating without having great individual defenders?
So you want to be the Knicks? A win loss record of 14-16 in the East? Overall team ranking #19 two spots lower than the Blazers at#17 Right now the overall ranking is #17 for the league. That is Both offense and defense. The game is about wins and losses. The Blazers need to be in the top 10 in Overall Offense/Defensive ranking to be in the mix. They have done that in the last couple weeks. That is without 3 starters. Two of which are defensive players this team could use. One starter that would help their offensive ranking as well. You guys always cherry pick your way through things and leave out the big picture. The Teams overall ranking is #17 in the league playing in the Western Conference. This game is and has always been about making buckets. You need to get stops when the game is on the line. But you still have to be able to score. Simple premise. Score more points than your opponent. So i'll throw it right back at you. What's the issue? THREE STARTERS OUT is the issue. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_ratings.html
Where did i say i want to be the Knicks? I am asking how they play so good D without good defenders. Pointing the fact that cosching can do wonders on that end. Apparently they are not talented enough on offensive end but they doing more than ok with the personnel they have. Why do i bother i wonder. You always find everything perfect, Blazers do everything right in your mind.
One loss after a great winning streak ....in the mix at the top of the west...and people are worried about our defensive ranking? When we get up in a game by 20 we play Elleby and Simons and Giles to get them some burn...which doesn't help your defensive ranking....we've won games where our 3rd string lost leads but we still win...the trade off is that Elleby gets to guard Lebron and gain experience even though Lebron cleans his clock....developing young players sacrifices stats .....we had virtually no training camp for our new vets...they're now learning plays and how to make teammates better....so yeah...we're not dominating both sides of the ball but we're winning....sometimes ugly but still winning.......Stotts haters are never going to see value in his system...personally I love it. It's a trust based coaching system. I've stopped trying to sell anyone here on the value of players coaches. I've come to really respect Terry Stotts as a coach and leader
sorry man....I think you're well off base. The discussion is a little narrower than you want to make it, IMO the discussion is about coaching and defense. In that context, by far the biggest change for the Knicks from last season to this season has been the coaching staff. It's all new. Last season, the Knicks ranked 23rd in defense; this season they rank 3rd. yes, there have been some personnel changes, but no boted defenders have been added and many of the rotation players from last season are still there. To go from 23rd to 3rd in defense shows that it isn't all about the roster construction. it's also bogus to talk about their offense being 24th in the league and using that to dismiss their massive defensive improvement (not sure if you did that). That narrative is missing the critical context that last season their offense was 28th. They have improved in both defense and offense. Further, last season, their net rating was -6.5; this season it's -0.1. That major improvement is reflected in the fact that last season, the Knicks were 12th in the East and 25th in the NBA; this season they are 8th in the east and 17th in the NBA. There seems to be a pretty clear correlation between their winning percentage and their defensive improvement
The Knicks haven't lost 3 of their starting lineup due to injury and then their backup center after that.....the critical context is the conference ranking and how they got the ranking...east or west...the Knicks coach usually comes out of the gate looking like he's heading somewhere ...then burns out his starters and front office....see if he avoids that this stop. Thibs pretty much ruined Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose although Rose has come back a bit...see how he handles his roster this time around. I don't think kjironman is off base at all...I think that like me he holds an unpopular view on our team in comparison to other teams like the Knicks....I think it's worth it to play 3rd stringers with a lead even if the opponent closes the gap and makes the game seem closer than it was....which happens alot
nah....buzzkill...one game at a time...we beat the Lakers and they got beat last night....I like our chances..
what does any of that have to do with coaching and defense? easy answer is almost nothing there's a strong narrative advanced by homers, and the fans of Blazer status-quo and Stotts, that personnel is the biggest factor in determining a team's defensive ability, not coaching. The Knicks' teams from last year to this year kick the living shit out of that narrative just where are the great defenders in this rotation? that is the team that has the 3rd best defense in the NBA. The idea that coaching only has a minor impact on defense is bullshit nobody is suggesting to fire Stotts and hire away Thibs. They are saying, with justification, that Stotts is deficient as a defensive coach
