Twins deal Castillo

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  1. tim

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    Luis Castillo has been traded to the Mets for a AA catcher and a A outfielder Horrible move. Castillo is one of the only consistent hitters on the team. And the thing the Twins lack most in is hitting!
     
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    ... yeah, what the hell?</p>

    And how does this really help the Mets? He's not displacing Reyes as a lead off hitter.</p>

    -Petey</p>
     
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    YES! The Mets need a defensive 2b, and Castillo is one of the best. He'll probably bat 2nd, also.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    ... yeah, what the hell?</p>

    And how does this really help the Mets? He's not displacing Reyes as a lead off hitter. </p>

    -Petey </p>

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    It helps the Mets a lot!</p>

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    Castillo is a good contact hitter with speed. He's an ideal #2 hitter. The Mets have not had one this year.</p>

    Ruben Gotay is a great prospect, but his defense is shaky and it's good to have a veteran there in big playoff games.</p>

    Gotay is also an excellent PH so it strengthens the bench.</p>

    The best part is that Castillo is a FA after the season so he's not blocking Gotay. </p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    ... yeah, what the hell?</p>

    And how does this really help the Mets? He's not displacing Reyes as a lead off hitter. </p>

    -Petey </p>

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    It helps the Mets a lot!</p>

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    Castillo is a good contact hitter with speed. He's an ideal #2 hitter. The Mets have not had one this year.</p>

    Ruben Gotay is a great prospect, but his defense is shaky and it's good to have a veteran there in big playoff games.</p>

    Gotay is also an excellent PH so it strengthens the bench.</p>

    The best part is that Castillo is a FA after the season so he's not blocking Gotay. </p>

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    Only reason why Paul's numbers are down is he's not hitting in front of Beltran/Delgado/Wright.</p>

    Put him in the #2, and he'll see a steady stream of fastballs again.</p>

    -Petey</p>
     
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    If you dont think Castillo is well suited to batting 2nd behind a dynamic speedster, ask the opponets of the 2003 Marlins....he was a nightmare batting behind Juan Pierre that season....its a solid move for the Mets who can now manufature runs with the best teams in baseball(a highly underrated quality of playoff successes)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    ... yeah, what the hell?</p>

    And how does this really help the Mets? He's not displacing Reyes as a lead off hitter. </p>

    -Petey </p>

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    It helps the Mets a lot!</p>

    </p>

    Castillo is a good contact hitter with speed. He's an ideal #2 hitter. The Mets have not had one this year.</p>

    Ruben Gotay is a great prospect, but his defense is shaky and it's good to have a veteran there in big playoff games.</p>

    Gotay is also an excellent PH so it strengthens the bench.</p>

    The best part is that Castillo is a FA after the season so he's not blocking Gotay. </p>

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    Only reason why Paul's numbers are down is he's not hitting in front of Beltran/Delgado/Wright.</p>

    Put him in the #2, and he'll see a steady stream of fastballs again.</p>

    -Petey </p>

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    He was struggling there.</p>

    Now he's really banged up and Castro is becoming the better option.</p>

    Castillo is still better than a healthy LoDuca because of his speed.</p>

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    Very nice pickup for the Mets as Castillo is perfectly fit for a National League style of play. Tim, I know Castillo's your favorite player, but how can you say this is a bad move for the Twins? They're sellers at the deadline, they pickup two prospects, and with Castillo aging, it makes room for either Casilla to come up and play, or Buscher to be alone at third and move Punto to second. As a Twin fan, I've learned to never doubt Terry Ryan.
     
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    Getting rid of a young prospect for a 32 yeard old 2B who has seen better days. As a Braves fan, I can hardly stop laughing.</p>

    Seriously, the only people that really like this trade are the 2 animated figures from the Guiness commercials. Of course, there is not much they don't approve.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (joemagoo362)</div><div class='quotemain'>Very nice pickup for the Mets as Castillo is perfectly fit for a National League style of play. Tim, I know Castillo's your favorite player, but how can you say this is a bad move for the Twins? They're sellers at the deadline, they pickup two prospects, and with Castillo aging, it makes room for either Casilla to come up and play, or Buscher to be alone at third and move Punto to second. As a Twin fan, I've learned to never doubt Terry Ryan.</div></p>

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    joemagoo, this current Twins team has the talent to win now. And the Twins should not be selling one of the only guys who have been consistent all year. And to trade him for two "prospects" (both of whom are hitting below .300 in the respective leagues) wasn't a great decision.From what I saw of Casilla, he isn't ready for the majors yet. I would have liked to see Castillo's services to continue up until the season ends, and we could continue to try togo for thewild card spot. We have been in this situation before. And selling was not the option last year and we ended up winning the division. Now I don't know if the Twins will be the same. They are such a close group of guys and taking away one of the guys from that group will make a difference.They were all upset by the trade, so team morale will shoot down. I agree, Terry Ryan is one of the better general managers in sports, but in this case, I saw no reasoning to this trade.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Getting rid of a young prospect for a 32 yeard old 2B who has seen better days. As a Braves fan, I can hardly stop laughing.</p>

    Seriously, the only people that really like this trade are the 2 animated figures from the Guiness commercials. Of course, there is not much they don't approve.</p>

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    A young prospect? The Mets traded two guys in the minors not prospects. One has never hit higher than .258 and is below the Mendoza line this year. The other is a 23 year old in single A hitting .287.</p>

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    But as a Braves fan, I'm sure you'll continue laughing during October, when you have nothing better to do because you can't watch the Braves play, since they will be knocked out. </p>
     
  12. J-E-T-S 1083

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    yea BA sry but i think its a great move for the Mets they pretty much got a great defensive 2B who hits for a solid AVG for two minor league players that neither of us will ever hear about again... Mets are still the team to beat in the NL East i cant imagine that ur laughing at this trade unless u are very misinformed or just really overconfident now that u have a decent first basemen
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    But as a Braves fan, I'm sure you'll continue laughing during October, when you have nothing better to do because you can't watch the Braves play, since they will be knocked out. </p>

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    You know. Its great to be a Braves fan. Each year, they find a new way to underachieve and disappoint me. lol </p>

    This year, however, Schuerholz actually made some bold moves. So, who knows?</p>



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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>yea BA sry but i think its a great move for the Mets they pretty much got a great defensive 2B who hits for a solid AVG for two minor league players that neither of us will ever hear about again... Mets are still the team to beat in the NL East i cant imagine that ur laughing at this trade unless u are very misinformed or just really overconfident now that u have a decent first basemen</div>
    Decent 1B? Teixeira has 124 hrs since 2004 which is top 10 in that category. You mets fans have spinning far more than I ever could or would. </p>

    The acquisition of Dotel will be as important if not more than get Mark T from the RAngers.</p>

    If you hush for a few that Freight train noise you hear is the Hotlanta express & and its set to blow thru the northeast with no stops. lol</p>
     
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    Tim, talent this and talent that, they aren't winning now. Castillo is a solid leadoff hitter who brings nice defense. However, his legs are virtually falling apart, and the chances that Minnesota would sign him in the offseason is slim and none. The thing you don't understand is that this opens up a spot for the prospect,however not involved in the trade, Alexi Casilla. It allows him to take just about every game at 2B and gain experience key for future playoff runs. Casilla is plenty ready for the majors. He'll primarily hit in the nine hole, has a solid glove, maybe not equal to that of Castillo, but he'll give you a ton more range, and is a fast developing hitter.</p>

    All this bullshit about team morale shooting down is totally overblown. After the deal Scott Baker goes out a throws a gem and the team gets a win. Another win tonight and morale is just as high as when Luis left. This is a totally different situation with the Twins this year versus last. Last year they were plenty down, but absolutely on fire, with I might add, a healthy Francisco Liriano,andIbelieveleadingthewildcardchase. This year, they have to get through 2 teams to win the division and 3 to win the wildcard. With nothing to really spark the club, like Liriano was last year, I doubt the Twins make the playoffs. This trade allows Casilla to be better in the future, and also allows the Twins to get something for the would-be-gone-anyway Castillo, albeit not much. Don't get so pissy because the Twins traded away your favorite player.</p>
     
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    124 HRs in one of the best hitters parks in the league but ok i'll give you that... Dotel sure thats a decent pickup he has a 3.91 era as a closer with Kansas City hes still coming off that Tommy John surgury... thats decent</p>

    tho u didnt address why ur laughing at the Luis Castillo deal since Castillo is probably better than what we had Valentin and we will never hear about those two minor leaguers again because they are probably not goin anywhere</p>

    We'll see at the end of the season but the Braves are still not the best team in the NL East </p>
     
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    I don't see the point of pissing off the players by getting virtually nothing for a guy who has been solid all year long. Let Casilla wait. He's not as good a hitter yet, his glove isn't as good, all he has on him is range. I don't understand why we couldn't just ride his contract out to the end of the year. I don't see why we wouldn't just go with the better player right now and continue to try to push for the playoffs. And last year we were behind two teams in the division(Detroit and Chicago).
     
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    I believe by the start of August we had already surpassed Chicago, and this team is completely different from that of last year. Casilla brings to the team youth, speed, and range. The Twins are built for the future with all these young players.</p>

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    Whatdoyouwanttim?Ontheveryslimchancewemaketheplayoffstobesweptinthefirstroundagain? I believe Casilla will be just as useful as Castillo in this year's playoff push. A few infield hits aren't going to win the division, or the world series.</p>
     
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    Castillo has great range, I don't think Casilla has as much range or is as good defensively at this point.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (joemagoo362)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    Whatdoyouwanttim?Ontheveryslimchancewemaketheplayoffstobesweptinthefirstroundagain? I believe Casilla will be just as useful as Castillo in this year's playoff push. A few infield hits aren't going to win the division, or the world series.</p></div>Yes I would rather make the playoffs than miss the playoffs. We play a very similar way to the way the White Sox did when they won the world series.
     

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