Well I feel like you didnt truly listen to what I'm saying because I'm not arguing that CJ has ever made the all-star team. But if you dont want to understand my point, so be it.
I think that's basically Dame being at his absolute career peak, and Kanter/Melo turning in surprisingly good seasons.
This is what you said and i responded to it. The portion of the All Star voting we are discussing and have been in reference to is the Players Vote. Not the popularity contest that is the people's vote. The Players and coaches disagree with you. At this point the players and coaches do not consider CJ an All Star talent. He is 9th in the western conference voting among players and coaches. Nurk is even farther down the list. This is a common theme on this board. The actual players and coaches IN THE NBA disagree with most all of the negative and some positive positions many of the posters have.
Forget all star voting, give the players a numerical score 0-10. His point is that CJ is a solid 8.5 (I'm putting words in his mouth, here), and saying that "he's not an all-star" is a pedestrian viewpoint. He doesn't give a shit about all star voting, even player all star voting - that's not the point he was trying to make. Do I have this right @BonesJones ?
Yeah you have to travel back a ways to find the reference. 8-10 pages at least. I'm not going to dig it up. But it wasn't really my narrative to begin with. But yeah I'm using it. Going on 96 pages now.
It's Bones that brought up the 3 All Stars thing not I. I agree it's pedestrian. Not sure how you come up with 8.5 but that seems a bit ridiculously high?
I put mediocre and boring in the same box.....which is how I read your critique...and yes.....Pops has had a big drop off since Duncan......Phil Jackson with the Knicks wasn't Phil Jackson with the Bulls either....he got fired. Yes...I think posters who go after fans of the coach and team as being happy with mediocre basketball are insulting those fans....on the other hand...if I say your moneyball measuring stick is boring and fragile when you don't include intangibles...I'm sure you'd come back with a spread sheet and some justification for your opinion. Bones agrees with you.....but he doesn't like our coach so......arguing that is a waste of time. I really like Stotts. Not swayed .......nor fragile by any stretch of the imagination but I'll stand behind my opinion. As far as citing children's songs as a picture of my Blazer experience....you know what you can do with that? I'll just let you guess.....I've got pretty thick skin about this place. We can talk about our differences...let's leave the childish analogies for the children eh? I'm enjoying the team....try it
CJ wouldve easily been an all star this year if he didnt get hurt. So you're just holding CJ's injury against him to make the team sound worse. I already said IF Nurkic is in peak form, he has an all-star level impact. Obviously he hasn't been for a while, but theres underrated things that players can do to have a big impact on games that dont get rewarded in the all-star voting process (by players or media or coaches) which is why it's silly to use actual selections as a gauge for player talent.
Yeah basically I'm just responding to the "Our roster has no hope we only have one all-star womp womp" stuff. We have a lot of talent on this team.
I love Pop....don't get me wrong...I also love that he didn't get fired after losing Kawhi and his big 3 of Duncan, Parker and Ginobli....but he's not racking up playoff success really since Duncan and now he's put Aldridge, Mills, DeRozan and Gay on the trading block.....see how that affects his playoff run this time around.....as I've said....I like franchise loyalty not just with San Antonio and Pops but with Portland and Stotts too. Through the ups and downs....I think we're in good shape
I find this to be an odd take from you. If my memory is correct, you were saying the injuries were no big deal because there is basically no drop off between CJ/Trent and Nurk/Kanter. So if CJ is easily an all-star and Trent is no real drop off from CJ, why didn't Trent make the all-star team and only get one vote? Either CJ is an all-star or there is a drop off from CJ to Trent, but it can't be both.
There's a number of reasons why a team might not be getting playoff success. The best coach in the league might have a lottery team depending on what the issues are. In my opinion, you have to watch the team on a night in, night out basis to truly understand the biggest issues that plague it. Based on watching the Blazers night in, night out, my opinion is what it is and I know everyone know what it is. I just dislike when people make it out like other coaches have to suck too because of their record alone because of my criticism of Stotts. It's weird to me. Not saying that's what you're doing, that's just a deflection tactic I've seen quite a bit.
I have never once said their is "basically no drop off between CJ/Trent and Nurk/Kanter". I don't know where you're getting your information from. My whole point was that we have really good backups that we can still win a lot of games with if we play the right style of basketball. Not coincidentally, our best game in terms of style of play I'd say was the first Philly game, when we blew them out without Dame, CJ, and Nurkic, and when we weren't starting a true PG. Doesn't mean their was "little to no dropoff" from Dame to Rodney Hood, but it did show how playing a good style of basketball gives you a higher chance to win no matter what the personnel is, and playing such a style isn't dependent on personnel. We had some of the best ball movement all season in the game where we didn't have a point guard. And on another topic, did you see Kanter hedge and recover perfectly in the final minutes last night? Yes he was in a zone defensively but it didn't look like a guy who is incapable of hedging or trapping. That might be the easiest thing to have him do instead of sagging him onto his heels and letting guards drive straight at him.
With one legit center in the rotation I've noticed Kanter is not contesting at the rim because he'll get in foul trouble until the 4th qtr...then he gets aggressive knowing he's not fouling out early and can finish the game...often our best defense is in the 4th qtr....and I think part of the style of play we use throughout a game is affected by our players not getting foul calls...not trusting refs to let them play physical on the other end....it's uncanny how we aren't able to bang in the post without sending the other team to the line yet we are getting mauled in the paint...now a guy like Zach Collins will not wait until the 4th to get aggressive on the ball and he'll pick up really early fouls and have to sit.....to me...Enes is playing a smart game and picking his spots
Some in here think they are experts when it comes to managing and coaching pro basketball, but they never make a suggestion as to they would like to see as a replacement.
