OT Cancel Culture: Discuss

Cancel culture. I’m just tired of all sides. I’m tired of athletes, actors, politicians, and so forth acting a fool and saying derogatory shit. I’m tired of those who get pissed at everything and everyone and always try to cancel idiots, fucking tired of them. The people who defend the dumbasses who are being canceled, fuck then too. Go about your life,

 

I’m not in the public eye. He’s an ambassador for basketball and I’m sure even that doof has fans who look up to him.

If I said what he said and it was in a public venue I very well might get fired. The difference is that I chose a profession that is large and I can go somewhere else where they might not know what I did. He chose a lucrative profession that is small so he can’t make mistakes like this. It will follow him around.

 

I think it's interesting that there was no fancy term for this and no particular outrage when conservative were "cancelling" the Dixie Chicks or Colin Kaepernick. Conservative boycotts have been a thing for decades. It's when liberals began boycotting businesses and people that suddenly there's a lot of "Are we sure this is wise? Shouldn't people be allowed to have their own opinions? Do we want a 'cancel culture'?"

This is not directed at the OP, it's just a thought I had reading this thread and various other meditations on cancel culture.

As for whether we "should" or not, I think it's unavoidable. That's kind of my point. It's been happening for a long time. People are generally going to want to avoid doing business with, or enriching, people they detest and oftentimes a movement will spawn around that.

 

You all are making good points. @Natebishop3, your point about you or me being fired for saying something similar is legit, although I would have to fire myself because I work for myself

That said, I just find that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. I am not here to defend Kathy Griffin, or JK Rowling, or Ellen, but there was a time when we could just say "what a putz," and not worry about our delicate sensibilities being offended, and move on. That we are never supposed to hear from them ever again seems Draconian to me.

 

It's an over-correction, but I guess sometimes you need an over-correction to get things where they need to be.

I'd say the worst casualty of the woke culture has been comedy.

Also, just because you're self employed, doesn't mean you're safe
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/lo...shop/283-6752d954-88c6-4ddd-94d7-f73768994a79

 

Here's the thing....... if you're a country music singer, read the room. You chose that profession. You understood your demographic. You're totally free to speak your mind, but like..... you had to know what would happen. One of the most popular songs at that time was Toby Keith singing about the US putting a boot in someone's ass.

And again, Colin Kaepernick, I have been a pretty big Niner fan since I was 12. I really liked Colin. But as with the Dixie Chicks, read the room. You're playing a sport that's largely popular with a certain demographic. You're free to speak your mind, but it's a business. There are consequences.

Similar, if you own a coffee shop in Portland Oregon, and you say some shit that pisses off liberals, guess what's going to happen......

But to me, dropping some racial slurs on twitch is a different animal. There's speaking your mind, and then there's saying some truly ignorant shit. Meyers is a moron. He had to know the risks of live streaming, or maybe he didn't, but it bit him in the ass.

 

I don't really understand what this has to do with my post? I mean that sincerely...you seem to be justifying why people get cancelled, but my post wasn't about whether any of them suffered injustice or not. I was pointing out that it's interesting that when this kind of thing was happening initiated by conservatives, it wasn't branded a "culture" and something we should be extremely wary of.

 

Sorry the TLDR is that I’m questioning if it’s really cancel culture if it’s as simple as someone pissing off their demographic with an outside the lane opinion?

I think Meyers is a better example of cancel culture because dropping a racial slur isn’t just outside the lane. It shouldn’t be anyone’s lane. Kind of like canceling a male celeb for sexual assault. Is that really the same thing as the Dixie chicks or Colin Kaepernick?

 

I guess we have to define what cancel culture is. I was under the impression that most people meant that when a person and/or their work is removed from the public eye permanently (or at least with the intent of permanence), that's being "cancelled."

So, no, what Kaepernick did obviously has nothing in common with what Meyers Leonard did, or what Bill Cosby did, but he was essentially blackballed out of football. So are you saying Kaepernick wasn't cancelled by conservatives in football? That even if he also lost his livelihood permanently, it doesn't qualify because he wasn't actually a bad person?

I'm honestly curious how you're defining cancel culture and canceling people in general.

 

I don’t think Kaepernick was cancelled by conservatives. I think he was a mediocre player who a lot of teams decided to not sign because he wasn’t very good and he wasn’t worth the headache that came with the politics. If it was Tom Brady do you think he would have been cancelled?

I think there’s a difference between Kevin Spacey getting cancelled and someone like Gina Carano who just got fired off the mandalorian. Also a person who was mediocre and who Disney decided wasn’t worth the headache.

Meyers is expendable because he’s not good. If LeBron came out I can guarantee nothing would happen.

If anything I think the misnomer of cancel culture is that people think they have more power than they do. You can cancel a Meyers Leonard. It’s much more difficult to cancel someone who truly has power.

 

A sincere apology goes a long way with me.

 

If I had to apologize for every stupid thing I ever said and now totally regret, I'd be apologizing for the next thousand years and getting slapped in the face by women hundreds of times. Was I wrong? Hell yes. Sometimes I really wish I didn't have such a strong conscience.

 

I’m a big proponent of free market cancellation. Let dumbasses set their own traps to fall into. The louder they talk the more they expose themselves as not being worth listening to. Things will work themselves out naturally.

We don’t need billionaires with motives foreign to our own mitigating our information as they see fit.

 

You're all over the place. First you said that people like Kaepernick weren't cancelled but Meyers was. Your reasoning: Kaepernick sucked, it had nothing to do with being cancelled. Now you're making the same argument for Meyers, which implicitly argues he wasn't cancelled either.

I'm not sure you're really making a clear argument here. At least, as regards my post that you quoted. If your point is that it's easier to cancel people with less power in their field, I agree and think that's obvious. But that doesn't relate to my original post.

 

I was confused about that as well.
So if you do something you know your fans won't like, it's not being canceled, because you should do what they want? But if you do something "accidental" or heat of the moment like Meyers, it is being canceled?

 

But if so, that would imply people like Bill Cosby or Harvey Wienstein weren't cancelled, because their actions were neither accidental nor heat of the moment.

 

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I'm not sure how you guys are equating kneeling during the national anthem with someone dropping a racial slur on live stream.

I'm saying that typically being "cancelled" has come on the heels of someone doing something heinous. The term didn't exist during the Kaepernick or Dixie chicks thing. Didn't it really start with the Metoo movement? How is that related to conservatives and liberals?

 

I'm not equating the two activities. I'm equating the two reactions and results. If anything, what you're arguing here was that conservatives in football cancelled Kaepernick completely unjustly. If that's your point, I agree.

That was...my point. I'm a little baffled. Maybe you should go back and re-read my original post, because now you're arguing exactly what I did, as though it's new and opposed to what I said.

What I originally said was that conservatives have been in effect cancelling people for decades (and used the Dixie Chicks and Kaepernick as examples) but no one coined a term around it or called it a culture. It's only when it became associated with liberals that suddenly it's become a "culture."

You replied with a lot of stuff that really didn't relate to that point. Your point seems to be that it's easier to cancel people who have less power, which is true but doesn't have anything to do with what I said.