OT Cancel Culture: Discuss

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  1. crandc

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    I can't discuss it because there is no such thing. Like political correctness, a term thrown out to mean your side is bad.
     
  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    The most interesting part is that POC isn't enough, we have BPOC because black isn't enough... we need black person of color..... which to me seems like saying ATM machine.
     
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    It's longer than one might like, I agree, but I think it has value in combining blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc, while not defining them by their (lack of) whiteness as "non-white" would do.
     
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    BPOC isn't particularly common (I can only find reference to it on urban dictionary). You might be thinking of BIPOC, which is "black, indigenous and people of color," which is sometimes used to recognize that black people and indigenous people have had uniquely difficult and extensive experiences in this country. As an Asian person, I'm comfortable with that expression though I generally use a lot of different expressions (people of color, non-whites, racial minorities) as I don't feel particularly wedded to any single one of them.
     
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    You really need to study the genocide of the Native American tribes before you keep moving the timelines of racial profiling around in the modern era......maybe look at slavery as well. Why not call people by their name or address them by their chosen titles....if that's African American or Native american you just drop the Negro and Indian from the language and move on. It's not up to white people to decide what is appropriate to call groups of people with common ethnic backgrounds. Be nice if we could just call people Joe and Sally and move on but "definitions"
     
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    Yeah, I guess. "Melanin-advantaged" doesn't just roll off the tongue either. ;)
     
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    My wife doesn't mind Asian american as a reference....which fits most groups...African american....Hispanic american...Native american...etc....pretty simple really...personally I don't refer to those terms unless I'm describing someone to someone else....thankfully we don't go around saying ...Hi there african american...I'm causcasian american...nice to meet you.
     
  8. Natebishop3

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    Would you call a black man from England an African American?
     
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    Oh, now you're just being prickly. Pretty sure that "political correctness" has a meaning that we all understand. In fact the Oxford Languages on-line dictionary defines it as, "the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against."
     
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    No..of course not...I'm talking about cancel culture here in our country....I'd call him by his name and if I described him I'd probably say...I talked with a black man from Liverpool and blah, blah, blah......my students often said in Taiwan I spoke pretty good Chinese for a white guy....no problem. It's a description....I've never been denied jobs or basic services for being "white" so that's easy for me to say. My point is an entire indigenous population was cancelled here in America and now people think it started with Bill Cosby ...The German Nazis had a real "cancel culture" fad going as well back in the day....
     
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    River the conversation shifted a bit. I'm not talking cancel culture right now.
     
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    Listen, here's how I feel, and if it makes me a bad person then so be it.

    If we're talking equality, then I'm 100% on board. Absolutely. I want everyone to be equal. I want everyone to be treated the same. No question at all. Paid the same. Treated the same by the police. Given the same opportunities for houses and jobs and whatever it is. You'll get nothing but support from me.

    What irks me is when people talk about equality, and then they turn around and they want to be unique as well. They want to be treated equally, but also seem to want to be treated BETTER than equal. That's not equality. In fact that's the opposite of equality. So either get on board with wholesale equality, OR just be honest and say you want your turn in the sun, but don't sell it wrapped in this cloak of equality.
     
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    Native Americans lobbied against sports franchises caricatures of their people and calling them Indians all my life.....you bothered by that at all? Is that just PC to you or does it resonate as being a well founded complaint by a proud group of people?
     
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    The idea of political correctness should not replace a simple term...correctness....right and wrong...it's worked for me all my life without segregating anyone
     
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    fair enough, I'll bow out here...said enough about it
     
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    I think it's a little strange to think that all natives of this continent fit under one umbrella. They were many different nations. That's like saying all Europeans agree on anything. They don't.
     
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    I've used that before, too. ;) I'm pretty sure dviss has as well.
     
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    What do you consider to be an example of people wanting to be treated better than equal?
     
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    I don't think she meant that there's literally not a meaning for the words. But rather that it's become a catch-all term to simply say "liberals are bad" (in these two examples, but of course I'm sure there are terms that liberals use in a similar way). In that sense, they're meaningless--while you can try to write down a formal meaning for the term (as the OED did) even those formal definitions have many subjective judgments in them which allows for it to mean whatever you want it to mean. Don't like someone saying "Happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas?" Political correctness! OR cancel culture, for that matter...Christmas has been cancelled. At that point, it really is just "whatever I dislike."
     
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    unfortunately being transported to reservations by US soldiers put them all under one umbrella.....after destroying their food source...they weren't separated by tribes at all....like I said...do some research....Apaches and Navajos from New Mexico were moved to places like Oklahoma and settled with Lakota, Crow, any other imprisoned Native American
     

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