Rebuild

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  1. blazerkor

    blazerkor Well-Known Member

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    So you might be saying that first we would fire Neil and then Neil's replacement would both make the coaching and player movements necessary for us to move on from this dumpster fire of a season?
     
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    Bob Dobalina Funkee Human Being

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    The sad realty is that you @TBpup are actually buying into this.
    I absolutely cannot wait for this team to get it together. If it doesn't happen I can accept a number of changes but if it does I'm going to enjoy watching them take down a number of teams.
    This team can play better. You know it and so does everyone else. It's only the weak that give up.
    Go Blazers!

    Kjironman is a fan!!!
     
  4. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    But then again, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results.
     
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  5. Cugel

    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Lots of mixed messages:

    paraphrasing: "Dame is the best Blazer ever...but no one would jump at his contract."

    WTF: you would move any and all to snag Lebron, Steph, Giannis, AD, KD, JH etc. Your argument is that he is essentially overpaid. If he is a top 5 player, any team would do whatever it took to get him. No?

    So Dame for 20-30M/y is tradable, but not 40M. Why?

    When is it ok to start thinking how to build a new team? The day Dame retires?
    Oh and Dame has no problem trashing the Raiders. Is he disloyal?
     
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    James lamphear Well-Known Member

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    What ever they do and who they fire if it's the coach good possibility but still not sit in stone though do he has one year on his contract. Yes I know a lot coaches got fire with money left on there contract and I do believe 90 percent that Stotts is gone. But I don't know a new coach can get CJ play a different way on offense I think Dame can do believe you got separate them in a trade and hopefully you can sign powell. Everyone like Kanter I do to but as much he does on the offense boards he give away a lot more on the Defense end I am not saying not bring him back but there better a rim protector with him. Couple years ago I thought Zach and Kanter pairing was good due to Zach was a a rim protector. Nurk starting to play his basketball now but still needs to loose weight due he not has quick has he use to be the broken leg might have something to do with but I believe the weight has a lot to do with it.
     
  7. Phatguysrule

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    Sebatian Telfair is the PGOTF!
     
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    No.
     
  9. wizenheimer

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    a lot to unpack there

    first thing is Dame is not a top-5 player. Top-10? sure, although definitely not over the last month

    second thing, from your list: Dame is 6'2 -->

    Lebron is 6'8 (with 4 NBA championships, 4 MVP's, 4 finals MVP's, and 17 all-star games)
    Steph is 6'3 (with 3 NBA championships, 2 MVP's, and is the consensus greatest shooter in NBA history)
    Giannis is 6'11 (with 2 MVP's and a DPOY)
    AD is 6'11 (with an NBA championship)
    Durant is 6'10 (with 2 NBA championships, an MVP, and 2 finals MVP's)
    Harden is 6'6 (with an MVP, 6 NBA first team selections, and dozens of triple-doubles)

    like it or not, height still has lots of value in the NBA. And, Dame is the only player in that group with a history of being shut down in the playoffs by doubles and traps. Of course, all those other guys (except for Giannis) had the advantage of playing with other top-10 players in their biggest moments. Dame hasn't even had the advantage o playing with a top-25 player

    now, about your assertion that Dame is paid 40M. Let's be accurate here. His super-max contract will pay him 49M/year.

    Dame - 49M/year
    Harden - 44M/year
    Giannis - 45M/year
    AD - 38M/year
    Lebron - 42M
    Durant - 41M
    Curry - 44M

    and except for Giannis, Dame has the longest contract.
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    and nowhere did I say Dame wasn't tradable. What I said was that trading him wasn't going to be easy, and teams looking to add him wouldn't have the same perspective on the qualities that made Portland give him that deal; so they would likely want a discount for that, not pay a premium. Matching salary to CBA requirements would be an obstacle, and a contract like that isn't the best for bringing in rebuilding assets, which is the thread topic.

    Harden was just traded, and all he brought back to Houston was Victor Oladipo, Dante Exum (who is injured, again), and a collection of draft picks and swaps that are likely to be late 1st round. The only near-term pick that's likely to be a lottery pick is Cleveland's 2022 first. And the other picks that may be high picks aren't for several years, which does not match a rebuilding package
     
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    I would agree that Dame probably is top 7-10 versus 5, realistically. But even if he was top 2-3 one star isn't going to get you anywhere the way the league is now especially a guard.
    I just think fans here need tend to be unrealistic in just how good our teams have been. Thats ok, its part of fandom but its so tough to compete and win a NBA cship without just the right mix of players or a super team.
    Im rooting for Utah, Phoenix, Memphis to make some noise in the playoffs neither has ever won the whole thing in the decades they been around.
     
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    from the Mavs sub, man this already feels like Rebuild

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    Im sure the whole world, including Dame know that The Blazer Forum Fans have are pushing hard for change. Maybe we should gather in front of the TB offices and light fires?
     
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    The dirty laundry is out there. Im loyal!
     
  14. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Damian is not on the level of LeBron, Giannis, KD or Harden though. And that extra 2 years at 100 million is really a big difference.
     
  15. BigGameDamian

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    I'd go after Karl Anthony Towns. Good chance he'll be available. I don't think he's a franchise player but we have Dame. After Stotts is canned obviously.
     
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    Hey, if we're going to go all-in on this All-O, No-D approach, what's Mike D'Antoni up to? If he can make Jeremy Lin look all-NBA, imagine what he could do with Dame!
     
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    He is the one that I would want. I’ve been hoping for a possibility of a CJ, Nurk, and maybe Nassir and a 1st for KAT and Culver trade since the beginning of the season. But it seems like with Nurk’s disappointing season, that might not be enough for KAT. But I struggle with wanting to add more to that besides maybe another 1st because I don’t want to just trade more depth away. I haven’t been following NBA as much this season so I wouldn’t know but I’m sure NY or another team could put together an offer that is as competitive as that offer.
     
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    That would be amazing.
     
  20. wizenheimer

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    let's see: Dame-Powell-RoCo-Simmons-Nurkic...yeah, that's an upgrade
     

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